Another lubrication topic goes astray

[kekkiumai]

If you're not a mechanics specialist and asking a question with numerous riders telling you what not to use where are you getting the confidence in your knowledge?? Perhaps experience hasn't served you enough justice yet.

[evilone]

heres something i found that you guys might maybe reconsider using 10w-40

You can't convince me when my elite 50 with over 10,000 miles uses 10w-40. I recommend you use Motorex Scooter Gear Oil ZX 80W90 100 ml 389-010 and get over yourself.

[spree-rider]

If you're not a mechanics specialist and asking a question with numerous riders telling you what not to use where are you getting the confidence in your knowledge?? Perhaps experience hasn't served you enough justice yet.

ding ding ding ding ding!!!

[Spreetard]

While your at it, you should throw some diesel fuel in the gas tank. Just because honda says to use gas don't mean s***.

Your logic is flawed, and you are a rude *. The higher viscosity of the gear lube will make the gears more difficult to turn, an effect that is amplified as the speed at which the gears turn increases. This will not make the gears last longer but would instead shorten the life of the assembly. At high speeds, the thick gear oil (intended for differentials, planetaries, and other kinds of much larger gears that are machined to far less precise specifications than honda's gearbox (not the transmission, as you stated incorrectly (the transmission is a CVT type consisting of a belt and variator)) would push the gears apart from each other.

As the high viscosity gear oil is squished like playdough between the rapidly meshing gears, the volume of oil in excess of the space between the gears (as oil does not compress) must be displaced. If you have any concept of fluid dynamics, I do not need to point out that the pressure of the oil between the gears would increase if a thicker lubricant was used. I'm guessing you skipped or slept through any classes that dealt with the topic, surely dismissing them as "more s*** I'll never need to know." In turn you would not realize that the pressure built up between the gears is transmitted to the bearings, causing possible premature wear.

That's fine and all that you have not taken the time to learn the science behind it all. That's why we made a forum, so that people like you who don't know much can ask people who do know what they are talking about (for instance, Baka and Bear).

*, I don't even care if you ignore good advice, I've done that before...


No, the problem here is that you came into this forum of people who know what they are talking about, asked a question that you thought you knew the answer to (actually, you asked the wrong question the viscosity matters much more than the brand), found out your previous train of thought was at the totally wrong station, then flamed the people that tried to help you.

You can avoid being ignorant by taking what you learn here and further researching the way things work. Buy some books. Read,
Absorb, and *poof* ignorant no more!

You can avoid being a * by learning a touch of humility and not always assuming that you are always right, regardless of how well you actually know the subject. And dissent can also be delivered without being a *.

But, at this moment, you are little more than an ignorant *. You can fill your gear case with redi-mix concrete for all I care.

If you want my opinion, I'd say Synthetic 10w40. Florida heat is nothing to the internal temperatures inside an engine are, far above what your gear case will ever see. 85w90 gear lube will work, but measurably not as well. Ipso facto. Take it or leave it.

[Spreetard]

BAKARACER AND BEAR PLEASE DO NOT POST ON MY WALL'S ANYMORE ...PLEASE I WILL REPEAT MYSELF IF I HAVE TO...DONT CARE TO HEAR YOUR ADVISE anymore after todays post
THANK YOU,GOOD DAY!

Uhhhh, And your "WALL'S"? (note: An apostrophe is a symbol used in contractions used to join two words together and replaces one or more letters, in this case WALL+IS)

Dude, we aren't (are+not) on Facebook. There are "posts", not wall is.

HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!!
ALL YOUR WALL'S ARE BELONG TO US! YOU ARE ON THE WAY TO DESTRUCTION!

>>> WHAT YOU SAY!!!?!!???!?!!?!!?!!?!!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVsijmCFs50

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DOING!!!

[Bear45-70]

The only guy that owns anything on this forum is noiseguy. Everyone else is here at his pleasure. Singo69 can stuff his wall where the sun don't shine because I don't and won't do anything he says ever. I have on thing to say to him;

[Spreetard]

And if honda says to use 10w-40 thats fine but heres something i found that you guys might maybe reconsider using 10w-40

...hmm

What's with the transmission oil?
Believe it or not, your Honda and Yamaha scoots do have a small transmission.

>>> NO FREAKIN' WAY!!! An automobile with a transmission??!? UNHEARD OF!!!! TELL ME MORE!!!!

It's hidden away in a small area near the rear wheel. Don't forget about the tranny oil!

Lube may be necessary when trannys get involved...

There is only about 200cc of oil here - a very small amount. Most scooters use standard high quality engine oil and some take gear oil. If your scooter takes engine oil, it should be changed fairly frequently. The gears put a lot of shear

Sheer,not Shear. The definition changes radically by changing one vowel

stress on the oil, reducing its effectiveness over time. It is definitely a pain to change this oil and add the new oil, but it must be done. If not, the oil will eventually turn to a thick dark, molasses like stuff. Your bearings and gears will be very unhappy, and they will eventually fail.

Very technical. Unhappy equipment So your real problem is you don't wanna EVER do maintenance?

I once bought a tranny from a nice lady who didn't change the tranny oil. The tranny sounded horrible when it was ridden. She was lucky it had not contracted herpes when she was riding, which would have probably caused a big rash.

Again with the unlubed tranny! I'd steer clear of trannys that have gotten around like that...

I bought it for $20 because she didn't want to have the tranny fixed. When I took the transmission apart, it was really in bad shape. Several gears and a few of the bearings were destroyed. I got it going again, but the cost of labor and parts was over $200. All because $0.25 of oil had not been changed... oh wait does it say that your gears will eventually fail if you use 10w-40...hhmmm maybe you guys should use your head instead of following the manuals all the time,and before calling people stupid....I THINK IM GONNA STICK TO THE GEAR OIL..lol
DONT CARE TO HEAR YOUR ADVISE

^^^^^^ADVICE. You advise by giving advice. Another class you slept through.

*sigh* And it's really amazing that you think we don't know every inch of our scooters. The "transmission",
(an applicable word, though poorly suited, much as the differential of a car could be lumped into the generalization:
[tranz-mish-uhn]
ÔÇônoun
1. the act or process of transmitting.
2. the fact of being transmitted.
3.something that is transmitted.
4.Machinery;
a.transference of force between machines or mechanisms, often with changes of torque and speed.
b. a compact, enclosed unit of gears or the like for this purpose, as in an automobile.
5. Radio and Television . the broadcasting of electromagnetic waves from one location to another, as from a transmitter to a receiver.
6.Physics . transmittance.)
is a CVT. You can look up CVT on your own time (I can't teach you everything). It consists of a variator in the front (further deconstruction reveals the rollers and ramp plate), a belt to transmit power to the rear takeup pulley, and the rear takeup pulley. The rollers are thrust out by centrifugal force against the ramp plate, causing the driven faces of the front pulley to move closer together resulting in... wait a minute, you're (you+are) not listening anyway, so why I'm (I+am) still trying to educate (make less ignorant) is beyond me.

[fastplastic]

lol

[Singo69]

By coming to this forum asking a simple question like what gear oil to use, shows your somewhat rookie status as a scooter guy. Who knows, you might be very well versed in other area's of mechanical fun, like cars, boats, *, you could be a plane mechanic for all I know. But a simple gear oil question for a scooter, is just that, simple. I could see if we where out doing some crazy endurance race or extreme motorsports, but we are just cruising around on small engined scooters. Sure, some of the guys here can be a little bit much sometimes, but most who have responded to this thread, you should listen to. Coming here fighting whatever advice you get is not going to help you. You seem to really want to use some fancy gear oil in a scooter. That's fine, waste your money. But if you just use what honda advises and change it when they advise, I'm sure that little tranny on the spree or elite will last an eternity(and be efficient) In my opinion, honda builds some the most well designed, reliable machines out there, from lawn mowers to race cars, and have been for a long time. They know what they are doing. So stop starting battles with guys here, go get yourself some 10/30 or 40, whatever honda recomends, and start enjoying your scooter.
Larry

battles, lol . i didnt ask for your input on 10w40 so * off buddy

[Singo69]

"TOO STUPID TO LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES OF OTHERS!"

Then he also thinks he is smarter than Honda's engineers, I foresee a whining post about lack of performance and/or a blown engine.

bear i said not to post anymore so have a nice day...blown engine...lmao ..you truly are dumb bear

[Spreetard]

battles, lol . i didnt ask for your input on 10w40 so * off buddy

No, you asked a foolish nOOb question, were handed the answer rather politely, then you started the "battles".

10w40 Is what works best, and if you ignore that, that's your choice. It's also a fact. Gear lube is thicker than what the machine was designed for, which can lead to undesirable performance.

Your Question was answered. You are just too thick (like your gear lube) to accept that you were wrong.

[Bear45-70]

"TOO STUPID TO LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES OF OTHERS!"

Then he also thinks he is smarter than Honda's engineers, I foresee a whining post about lack of performance and/or a blown engine.

bear i said not to post anymore so have a nice day...blown engine...lmao ..you truly are dumb bear

I have only one boss and you ain't her knot head. What you want or say will not now and never will effect what I do or say. So you have two choices, get use to it or suffer in silence but cause I will not do what you want ever.

[Singo69]

battles, lol . i didnt ask for your input on 10w40 so * off buddy

No, you asked a foolish nOOb question, were handed the answer rather politely, then you started the "battles".

10w40 Is what works best, and if you ignore that, that's your choice. It's also a fact. Gear lube is thicker than what the machine was designed for, which can lead to undesirable performance.

Your Question was answered. You are just too thick (like your gear lube) to accept that you were wrong.

WHO THE * IS WE ...GO SOMEWHERE

[Spreetard]

battles, lol . i didnt ask for your input on 10w40 so * off buddy

No, you asked a foolish nOOb question, were handed the answer rather politely, then you started the "battles".

10w40 Is what works best, and if you ignore that, that's your choice. It's also a fact. Gear lube is thicker than what the machine was designed for, which can lead to undesirable performance.

Your Question was answered. You are just too thick (like your gear lube) to accept that you were wrong.

WHO THE * IS WE ...GO SOMEWHERE

What's (what+is) that supposed to mean in English?

Who is we? How Philisophical of you! Deep, man, deep.

Who is we...?

[fastplastic]

By coming to this forum asking a simple question like what gear oil to use, shows your somewhat rookie status as a scooter guy. Who knows, you might be very well versed in other area's of mechanical fun, like cars, boats, *, you could be a plane mechanic for all I know. But a simple gear oil question for a scooter, is just that, simple. I could see if we where out doing some crazy endurance race or extreme motorsports, but we are just cruising around on small engined scooters. Sure, some of the guys here can be a little bit much sometimes, but most who have responded to this thread, you should listen to. Coming here fighting whatever advice you get is not going to help you. You seem to really want to use some fancy gear oil in a scooter. That's fine, waste your money. But if you just use what honda advises and change it when they advise, I'm sure that little tranny on the spree or elite will last an eternity(and be efficient) In my opinion, honda builds some the most well designed, reliable machines out there, from lawn mowers to race cars, and have been for a long time. They know what they are doing. So stop starting battles with guys here, go get yourself some 10/30 or 40, whatever honda recomends, and start enjoying your scooter.
Larry

battles, lol . i didnt ask for your input on 10w40 so * off buddy

ummm your on a fourm you made a thread for members to help you you asked for everyones imput and now you dont like the answers so your trying to filter ppls input