AF16E Spree swap, summer project!

[Trafficjamz]

Try and do a test on the af16e and see what you get.

[Petrock's 1984 Spree]

I think i may have found my problem
After cranking the engine round and round with a socket wrench on the stator and only getting a top psi reading of 45 psi i unbolted the head and this is what i found
The head was clean when i put it on btw

P1010723 by jpetrak, on Flickr

P1010724 by jpetrak, on Flickr

P1010727 by jpetrak, on Flickr

Its hard to see what it is but its oil thats getting through the head gasket. Thats where im losing all my compression. And there is oil on the head and the jug so the head gasket isnt making a good seal on either side.
Im guessing honda bond isnt the best idea but i dont know of another way to get the head to make a good seal against the jug
Any ideas?

[Petrock's 1984 Spree]

I just remember seeing the front tire of the moped my AF16E was from in the school as well.
Could i fit that tire and rim on the front of the spree without having to modify anything?
Im definately interested if it will give me a little bigger brakes in front

[Petrock's 1984 Spree]

I think I've found a solution by trolling around on the forums. I'm going to do an o-ring mod to the head to make it seal well and then stack as many head gaskets as I need up against the jug to get the right spacing. I'm going to use the o-ring polini uses for their heads. I managed to find the size and cross section if the o-ring but I need two more dimensions to make this do-able. If anybody knows are can measure...
1) How deep the groove is that polini cuts into their head to seat the o-ring
2) How far away is the begining of the groove from the very outside of the squish band

Thanks a bunch!

[Petrock's 1984 Spree]

Turns out they did have the front forks and front wheel of the Elite laying around so i snatched it up for cheap
The Elite whell definately does not fit in the Spree forks so im looking into swapping the forks as well
I know the forum member Levi has done this but he hasnt been on in a while and was wondering if anyone else has done something similar and how difficult it is

Thanks

[eliteguy50]

Turns out they did have the front forks and front wheel of the Elite laying around so i snatched it up for cheap
The Elite whell definately does not fit in the Spree forks so im looking into swapping the forks as well
I know the forum member Levi has done this but he hasnt been on in a while and was wondering if anyone else has done something similar and how difficult it is

Thanks

Just cut and weld. If you have the skill, it is not difficult.

[Petrock's 1984 Spree]

So its not just as simple as pulling out the old steering column and sliding in the new one?
Oh well, cutting and welding isnt a problem
It sounds like a blast and id love to have the extra stopping power

[Trafficjamz]

Turns out they did have the front forks and front wheel of the Elite laying around so i snatched it up for cheap
The Elite whell definately does not fit in the Spree forks so im looking into swapping the forks as well
I know the forum member Levi has done this but he hasnt been on in a while and was wondering if anyone else has done something similar and how difficult it is

Thanks

Like this?

[Petrock's 1984 Spree]

Yeah I just foud that with the search a few minutes ago
How do you go about doing that?

[Wheelman-111]

Greetings:

One other option is to keep the Spree fork but install a Metropolitan brake panel. Because both forks are telescopic, the tangs on the panel engage the one on the fork in a "vertical" orientation on both. However the design/size may be different and fork spacing issues may need to be sorted out.
I have the Met panel if you're interested. Shipping cost only.

[Petrock's 1984 Spree]

Ah thats awesome! I might use that as a back up because i really want to try this. The spree forks are pretty soft and the elite forks are a bit stiffer which will be better for a little faster speeds. Im going to make sure to reinforce where i weld the new forks on with steel plate. It should be awesome

On a side note, the reason for me to be using the elite tire tire is go with the bigger drum brake. How does using the met brake help me? Because for it to fit on the spree rim doesnt it have to be the same size as the spree drum brake?

[eliteguy50]

... How does using the met brake help me? Because for it to fit on the spree rim doesnt it have to be the same size as the spree drum brake?

The Met hub will not fit the spree rim. You would have to swap rim and hub.

[Wheelman-111]

Greetings:

EliteDude50 is exactly right. The Met brake is 95mm and wider swept area than the Spree's tiny adequate-for-30MPH binder. Of course a Met or late-Elite rim will be needed, but that's a good thing too. Bigger tire for at least some measure of additional cush as well as traction.

[Petrock's 1984 Spree]

Alright awesome
Yeah ill keep that one in mind, thanks

[Petrock's 1984 Spree]

Where do i cut the stock spree forks off from the stem?
And where do i cut the elite forks off their stem?

Pics...
Almost done prepping for the welding(Cant remove the rest of the steering assembly until i get my hands on the big wrenches at school)

P1010736 by jpetrak, on Flickr
Stock Spree stem and fork joint, where to cut it?

P1010729 by jpetrak, on Flickr

P1010728 by jpetrak, on Flickr

P1010732 by jpetrak, on Flickr
Elite Forks and stem, where to cut these?

P1010730 by jpetrak, on Flickr

P1010731 by jpetrak, on Flickr