Need help with 2000 Elite 50cc

[Motley Crue]

I just bought this from somebody on Craigslist yesterday. I got a great deal on it. I am so excited to get one of these. I've always wanted one since I was a kid. Anyway, it doesn't run. The guy I bought it from said it died while he was riding it. He doesn't know what is wrong with it.

The battery is dead. First thing's first: the kickstart lever will not spring back into place, so I probably need the spring that returns it back into position. Does anyone know where I can buy this replacement spring, and how to install it? I am pretty mechanically inclined, so if I know how to get to the part (which screws to remove, etc), I can pretty much replace it. I just need to know how to get to it.

Anyway, can somebody give me a checklist of things I need to do to diagnose my Elite? Maybe check the spark plug first? I just don't know where to start at this point. Would appreciate all the help I can get. Last night I only had a few minutes with the moped and tried to take off the left and right body panels and boy is there a lot going on there. Screws and clips all over the place. I would really like to see detailed instructions for removing those darn body panels, for one thing. Anyway, I will be monitoring this post constantly, as I'd like to get started on my moped after work today. Thanks.


NOTE: I ATTACHED A PHOTO OF THE MOPED. Check it to see what my moped looks like in case you have questions about what model this is.

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[wood10214]

Get the service manual first.
http://www.hondaspree.net/other/SA50_88-02_service.pdf

[swimmingfree]

sences its not running and we dont no for how long its been .. get rid of the old gas !!!! you may want to clean the carb it wont do harm if you dont lose parts..
( i count how mimmey turn in to snug then i no were to put then when done )
you may want to put a charger on the batter to see if it will roll over if it dose.. check the spark .. put a copple drops of oil in the cylner and check the compresion you need 90 to run if its lower not good ..
have fun
swimmingfree

[Motley Crue]

wood10214 I beat you to it. Already printed and bound a copy at work this morning. Love our production room! Here's a photo of my new manual. I love this manual. It is very detailed. I may end up doing a complete engine rebuild on this thing, I don't know. Depends on availability of parts and such. Guys, are these parts still made? Or do you have to find them used on Ebay and such? Pistons, O-Rings, those kinds of things. I haven't looked, but I hope there are instructions for doing an engine rebuild. The one thing I am unsure of is compression testing. I don't have tools for that kind of thing.... testing for compression, torquing bolts, etc. Need a torque wrench for that. I'm assuming many of the bolts on this motor are torqued? Probably in inch pounds I would assume.

Anyway, that is putting the cart before the horse. Maybe I can get it running with some simple adjustments/replacements, i.e. spark plug, wire, or something like that. I am so anxious to get on the road. Appreciate all the help I can get on here.

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[Wheelman-111]

Greetings:

Quoth MotleyCrue:

First thing's first: the kickstart lever will not spring back into place, so I probably need the spring that returns it back into position.

Probably you don't. You're asking the Forum where to buy a part you likely as not do not need. More likely the bushings and/or spiral gears just need to be disassembled, thoroughly de-gummed of their belt dust coating, and re-greased. Springs can break, but it that gunk problem is more common. If you approach this by throwing parts at an issue, it gets expensive and still doesn't solve the problem.

Now that you have the FSM, start by removing the plastics and have a long look at the hard parts beneath. An engine can be dropped from the frame in under an hour, carried to the air-conditioned comfort of your countertop where disassembly is fast and easy.

What's your location? Was this scooter ever under water - as in a flood?

[Motley Crue]

Wheelman you are 100% right. I don't want to get in the habit of buying parts without being sure I need them. I will disassemble the kickstart assembly first, and clean up and re-grease that area. Do you think I should at least buy a spark plug, gap it correctly (unless it is already pre-gapped), and see if that at least gets it started? If that doesn't solve getting it started, then remove the body panels and have a look underneath?

When I inspect the motor underneath, should there by things I need to look for? Should I plan on removing the motor as you've said? I am in the Syracuse, NY area.

By the way, the scooter stopped running about 6 months ago. The owner did not bother to fix it because he had an Elite 80cc as backup. I got this thing for a steal at $225. Has about 5,500 miles on it. No it was never under water or anything like that.

[swimmingfree]

summer is for riding..
winter is for rebuilding and upgrading..
why do you thing they make kitchen tables
swimmingfree

[Motley Crue]

Can anyone tell me what kind of trickle charger I need? I want to first charge the battery and use the electric start to see if I can get it running that way. If it runs, great, I can fix the kickstarter and be on my way. Is the trickle charger something I can get at like Pep Boys or Auto Zone?

[swimmingfree]

i believe mine is a 2 -10 amps
its cheaper to borrow one .. and as for the compression checker you may be able to rent one at the Pep Boys or Auto Zone? ((you need to ))
its goes in the spark plug hole and when the motor rolls over a few times it give you a number .. like checking the air pressure in your tires not hard to do but give the info if your motor is good or need to be rebuilt.. if its low you will be just wasting your time.. it wont run..
swimming free

[Mystic]

if you have a lawnmower battery or any battery for that matter that you can sit on a stool etc near the scoot you can run 2 wires from the battery to the terminals on the scoot with the old battery still on to check if its going to start I have 2 heavy duty wires with alligator clips on the end and a spare motorcycle test battery handy. compression gauge is like 40 bucks at autozone, they have a cheaper set I think but doesnt have the right end that screws into the plug hole

[Motley Crue]

How long does it take to fully charge the battery using a typical trickle charger?

[swimmingfree]

hard to say how munch juice is in it but on ten amps it will roll over in just a few if the charger is on ..
are you going to rent a compression checker
swimmingfree

[Motley Crue]

hard to say how munch juice is in it but on ten amps it will roll over in just a few if the charger is on ..
are you going to rent a compression checker
swimmingfree

Yea I probably have to rent one. Can I test the compression without the motor runnable? Do I need to screw it into the spark plug hole, and then either attempt electric start or kickstart, and check reading? Let's say my reading is good. What do you think my next task should be? Fuel delivery? Spark plug? Maybe a fuse somewhere?

[swimmingfree]

yes put some oil in the hole 3 drops

it just needs to role over anuff to get a reading . let it roll over anuff to let it stop climing on the gage..
get a new spark plug and frish gas i no its not old but the gas is week
as for the rest one thing at a time
swimmingfree

[Motley Crue]

yes put some oil in the hole 3 drops

it just needs to role over anuff to get a reading . let it roll over anuff to let it stop climing on the gage..
get a new spark plug and frish gas i no its not old but the gas is week
as for the rest one thing at a time
swimmingfree

Ok I will do that. I am assuming the spark plug type is in the manual I printed. Gapping is prob also in there too. If you know off the top of your head what plug and gap I need, let me know. Any particular brand preferred? I have gasoline stabilizer called Stabil. Can I just put a cap full of that in there to juice up the gas again? Any particular oil I should put in the spark plug hole?