Need help with 2000 Elite 50cc

[Mystic]

hey that is a good idea, i could take a wrench and carve an arrow with point one way for L and on the other side an arrow pointing for T lol I mean I know which way is which my brain just cant get it right lol most of hte time i just do it without thinking but if I try to concentrate on it I get all confused I didnt know they made a tool labeled like that. I will take a look for one, where did you get yours?

[swimmingfree]

the only person i no that's drummer then me my brother in law (because he married my sisturd ) he got it for me one year for Xmas ..it was a cheap set but i still have the ranch dot no y it don't work
swimmingfree

[evilone]

When i first read that i thought you said he married HIS sister

[swimmingfree]

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swimmingfree
i think his dad did ???????

[Motley Crue]

Ok everyone, and (swimming ), sorry for the long absence. I have the carb soaking in carb acid bath, and figured I would leave it in there for like 2 days. That dirt is pretty caked on there. I was thinking I should have just bought a new carb on Ebay. Someone on there is selling them for $39.95 shipped brand new. Acid bath cost $30 after tax. Someone said the outside of the carb doesn't matter, and that's quite obvious, but it would be nice to look in my engine compartment and see a carb that is not covered in oil soaked dirt! I took the bigger part of the carb out of the bath last night and scraped off dirt in hard-to-reach crevices with a shishkebob stick, then threw it back in the bath. Another thing I need to mention is.... I need a new Bystarter screw. There are two screws that secure the bystarter to the carb, and one of them is completely stripped. I had to use pliers to remove it from the carb. Does anyone know what size and thread those two screws are? I haven't checked the manual to see if it lists that. I hope I can get this at Lowes or somewhere.

I sprayed down the kickstart components with brake cleaner, and got all the dirt and rust dust out. I got it working but when I put the kickstart cover back on the bike, the spring doesn't return back to starting position when you give it a kick. I don't know why. I think that the driven gear might be "bad", and won't spin back down to starting position because of that. Maybe the twisted grooves in it are unusually worn and are not making smooth contact with the half-circle gear's teeth. I am not worried about it though. My main concern is getting the carb cleaned, back together, and back on the bike. Oh and some bad news... one of the four bolts on the bottom of the kickstart cover snapped as I was taking it out. I have to figure out what technique there is to removing the broken part of a screw from metal. I sprayed the top of the engine near the back wheel with brake cleaner and got it looking fairly decent.

I cleaned up the air box. Took it completely apart, sprayed it down with a garden hose and cleaned it out with 409 and paper towels. Removed the rubber tube and thoroughly cleaned that too, then put it back in its hole (man that was tough). It had dirt all around it. based on all the dirt on this thing I emailed the previous owner and asked him if he went freakin off-roading with this thing. He didn't answer.

Before I left for work today I gave the carb-cleaner paint can a good shake to work off the dirt that was probably loosened overnight. If it looks good after work tonight I am going to reassemble the carb, otherwise I will wait til tomorrow for that. Everything is ready to go once I get this carb back together. I will take some more pics tonight and post them.

[swimmingfree]

on the bad Bystarter screw just take it with you to Lowe's they will have one ..

kickstart you may need to put a little more turn in the spring in it .. did it move easy before you put it back on??? if not you may need to spray some wd40 on it till it dose.. a photo wood be nice just to see were you have the spring hook up?

I emailed the previous owner and asked him if he went freakin off-roading with this thing. He didn't answer.you got it cheep not new

in stead of buying a new crab take to the Honda dealer i'm sure he will fix it for you $$$.$$.. but i like to do that kind of thing my self you need to stop looking at ebay this thing will run .. you have it for what 4 days now and you had it running 2 times now i no not good but running so stop looking to by new .. you can do this I no that you can if you need to look on the internet for something look at craigslist to see what thay sell for !!!
swimmingfree

[Motley Crue]

Trust me swimming, I am your regular tim the toolman, except what i fix actually works haha. I bought a house 2 years ago and did all the drywall, painting, etc. I do the brakes on my cars, replace alternators, starters, belts, radiators, etc. I just don't do deep engine work. My point is, I an not an idiot (not saying you called me one) and I will do the work when needed, but just sometimes spending a little cash instead of doing all the work is worth it to me. Like in this case, it would have cost me zero dollars more to get a new carb. Was just looking and there is one on Ebay for $30 new. Comes with Bystarter and all. I spent $30 on carb bath alone!

Granted, I like projects. I like cleaning out the carb, putting it back together, and seeing if my hard work and diligence resulted in a perfectly running moped. In the process I got to learn how the carb works on the inside, and I got to see how this engine compartment is put together.

Regarding the kickstarter spring. When I took out the "driven gear" the half-circle gear spins nicely and snaps back into starting position nicely. In other words, the return spring works as it should. When I put the driven gear back in, everything still works, however when I put the crank case cover back on the bike, the spring does not snap the kickstarter back up. Weird. I think maybe the spring is not "wound up" enough, or needs to be turned again like you are saying. I wanted to avoid removing that part of the assembly. I greased that area up with some high temp grease. I don't know right now I am not too concerned with that area. I can just pull the kickstarter back into starting position for the time being. Tonight I am going to focus on getting the carb back together and getting the bike running again.

[Mystic]

I admit I was a little harsh with my judgement you should probably take hte gear back out and clean all the grease off the actually spiral grooves in it and the grooves in the half moon, i was having hte same problem, it only needs a small amount of grease where it sits in the cover, anything in the grooves will cause it to bind I say this because i have had to do this several times and make sure the tab on the metal clamp that holds the castle is not upside down

[swimmingfree]

i'm putt the spree back together today ..and even most of the peace so ill wont be here alto .you just need to have some one or people say to you to slow down ..we finger you had to skill to do it you just needed help .. that why you have so Minny of us helping you .. here's some info for you the Honda dealer get 80 dollar a hour here so lets see crab work is about a hour + parts and there is always parts so your bill wood be about 100.00 $ not a big deal you some but now you can do it for your self..i think the words is priceless you do no that ( i think ) you can save that stuff and use it again on your next job ..
swimmingfree

[Motley Crue]

I can probably get this info from the book, but I will ask just in case it isn't in there.... when I put the carb back together, I need to know how many turns need to be made on each of the screws. For instance, I think the third screw from the bottom needs to be tightened all the way, and then loosened 1 and 7/8th turns. I am talking about the screw which is 2 screws up from the bottom screw which drains the bottom of the carb. Let me know which screws need to be set to a certain number of turns like that. Thanks everyone. What other things should I be aware of when putting the carb back together? I will have compressed air to clean it out when it is assembled. I am not sure where that little silver contraption on the inside of the carb goes. It is really small, maybe a few millimeters, and has a cone shaped end to it. I will try to find a pic of it.

[dun rite]

I was thinking I should have just bought a new carb on Ebay. Someone on there is selling them for $39.95 shipped brand new

Good thing you didn't buy one of those carbs, they are copies and not a very good quality. About the only thing there good for is the bystarter, but even that isn't the greatest.

I need a new Bystarter screw.

It's a metric 4mmx8mm

Removed the rubber tube and thoroughly cleaned that too,

If this is the rubber that clamps to the carb be sure to use a good adhesive sealant where it connects to the air box. It is not sold individually and mine is securely glued to box. If not sealed it will cause an air leak and will give you fits when trying to tune the engine.

one of the four bolts on the bottom of the kickstart cover snapped

do an internet search for "easy out". but be careful, if it breaks off in the bolt then it gets harder.

before assy. the carb it is a good idea to use and aerosol spray like carb cleaner or brake cleaner and spray it through all the little holes and passage ways. This will spray out the other end of them and let you know if they are open or not.

the little silver thing should have a rubber like tip on the end of it. it is the float needle, it closes off the fuel to the carb once there is enough fuel in the float bowl. You do need to look in the manual at the carb breakdown to be sure you reassemble it correctly, Read it when doing this, don't just look at the pics

[Motley Crue]

4mm x 8mm. Good to know thanks. Now I don't have to stop home to pick it up before I run to Lowes after work today. I really could use a favor on that rubber hose you mentioned which clamps to the carb. Could you tell me the width of the clamp that goes around the rubber tube from the airbox which fastens to the carb? Mine was all rusted and I couldn't even loosen the screw on it. I need to get a replacement somewhere. I am sure Lowes will have one that fits. I just need to know the width of that metal that goes into that groove around the end of the rubber tube. It is home and I don't want to have to go home first from work to get it before I run to Lowes. Also, what kind of sealant should I get for that rubber tube? I noticed there was some sealant on there as I was removing it. Thanks for the heads up on that. I am leaving here around 5pm EST so I hope I can get a reply before then

[dun rite]

3/8th wide x 1 1/2 diameter . Not sure what sealant to tell you. It needs to be fuel and oil resistant, maybe just a good gasket cement

[swimmingfree]

no i'm trying to match the air intake of my spree ..its is a 3/8 by 11/16 and i wood like to change it to a round hole. just trying something new or weird
swimmingfree

[Motley Crue]

Great news. I put the carb on tonight and have the bike running. I am concerned about 2 small tubes that were attached to the carb or that area, but I am not sure where they go.One went to the overflow valve on the carb, but where does it connect to on the other end??? I am putting a youtube video up to show it running. I will put the link up in a few minutes. I am also concerned about the air/fuel mixter screw and the idle screw. No idea where to set those. I read you gotta tighten the air/fuel one all the way, then loosen 1 7/8 turns. Is that right?

Swimming sorry I was at Lowes when you asked me the question. If square hole is rectangle at 3/8 x 11/16 you are looking at an area of 4 1/8 inches squared. You need a circular area that matches that size. Area for a circle (pi) x r^2. So 3.14 x r^2 = 4 1/8 inches squared. Convert 1/8 to decimal to make it easier. 4.125". Divide 4.125 by 3.14 = 1.314. So now you have r^2 = 1.314. Take square root of 1.314 and you have the radius of the circle you need... which is 1.15. So you need a circle with a diameter of 2.3" across. To confirm my math run the numbers through the area of a circle formula... area = pi x r^2. So 4.125 should = (3.14 x 1.15 x 1.15) and it actually = 4.1 like I showed. I love math, and need it all the time as a software engineer.