Need help with 2000 Elite 50cc

[swimmingfree]

what you want to do with the cable .. might ben ezer to do by looking in the carb by taking off the tub and looking in there???
by the twist grip on my spree is a piece to take out the extra cable page 1-8 in your book
swimmingfree

[Motley Crue]

What about my question about that link I put in my last post?

I also need to find out where the "weight roller" is. In the manual it gives several possible reasons for top speed lack of power.....

1. Worn drive belt
2. Weak driven face spring
3. Worn weight roller
4. Faulty driven face
5. Worn or seized driven pully bearing

Which of these is more possible? Also, where is the variator? I went through the manual and cannot find it. Is the variator another name for the weight roller? Will a worn drive belt really cause as much top speed as 15mph?

[swimmingfree]

there is a lot of thing it could be first build a fire and through the pipe in it here's why try running and just breathe throw your nose .. you wont go far or fast so if the pipe is full it cant breathe out ..when you have the pipe off look in the port and see if it is full of carbon from the pipe being full ..if you were saying the motor is winding real hi but it only goes 20 i wont say its the..
1. Worn drive belt
2. Weak driven face spring
3. Worn weight roller
4. Faulty driven face
5. Worn or seized driven pully bearing
but do to your lack of skill with 2 cycle motor i wood wonder if you wood no how far thy wind out to .
so build a good fire throw it in let it sit and roast for a couple of hours in the heat of a good fire .. after it cool down on by its self (don't put water on the hot pipe ) use a air hose and blow it out ?? and as the pipe is roasting look at the port and make sure it not full of caber
where this is done then tell me
ill bet it will help
swimmingfree

[dun rite]

I also need to find out where the "weight roller" is. In the manual it gives several possible reasons for top speed lack of power.....

the book calls it the moveable drive face. the rollers are behind it. Yes remove the 3 screw and get rid of the plate.

drilling out the exhaust will also help with speed and power but you will need to change the main jet in the carb to a #78. and run a premix gas as well as the oil pump. about a 70:1 mix if i remember correctly do search here on the forum

or buy an oil pump plug and run strictly premix at 32;1 - 40;1

The roller weights probably have flat spots and should be replaced if they do.

there are several threads on here about unrestricting, derestricting the 94 and up 50cc elites.

[swimmingfree]

Ok I didn't get a chance to do a compression test over the weekend. I was busy doing shower plumbing. My first time doing that and I did an awesome job. Anyone want to see pics of my shower plumbing? I installed a new $250 Delta shower and it is awesome.

Regarding the scooter, this is going to stem off of my other thread regarding the scooter only going about 20mph. I think I am just going to buy a new muffler. The one I have displays the symptoms mentioned on the wiki page for cleaning a bad muffler. It makes that"fffft ffff" or zipping sound. It has thick black deposits on the rim of the exit hole at the back of it. It just looks like it needs to go. There is a decent-sized rusty hole on the muffler pipe right before it enters the muffler.

In all likelihood the muffler is a major cause for my slow top speed. I am wondering if it is a throttle cable issue, however. Is there a way to test this while riding the scooter? In other words, can I give it full throttle while riding, and then use my other hand to pull the throttle cable near the carburetor in order to see if the throttle grip is not giving maximum fuel flow to the carb?

Also guys, check out this page. Looks really good. Maybe I can do these mods to increase my top speed. Check it out!!! http://www.scootertherapy.com/Eliteclutchpage.html

read and then ask why i don't get help,, if you dont clean the pipe the rest wont mater we have ask you to do things and you dont !!

[Motley Crue]

dun rite, I understand what you are saying about changing the main jet to a #78, but out of the factory isn't this supposed to go 35mph? I want to fix this and get it back to 35mph without changing the parts. Once I do that, then I will swap parts for improved ones, such as the jet, in order to increase the speed. Right now I want to figure out what is faulty and slowing down the scooter. The muffler is a lost cause. It has holes in the pipe, and is caked in a lot of black carbon buildup in the exit hole. They are around $80, so it won't break the bank, and will make the scooter look much nicer, especially when I clean up the rims too.

I went through the manual and was able to locate the weight rollers. Someone on here mentioned something called a "variator". Are the weight rollers what he was referring to?

[sprite2011]

This thread gives me headache.

[Motley Crue]

hey swimming, is there usually a lot of carbon buildup where the muffler connects to the motor? In other words, would cleaning up that area help after removing the muffler?

[swimmingfree]

no but if the pipe is not burnt out it wont help.. i no you want a new one so why bother taking the carbin out.. if the pipeis not cleanout

there is a lot of thing it could be first build a fire and through the pipe in it here's why try running and just breathe throw your nose .. you wont go far or fast so if the pipe is full it cant breathe out ..when you have the pipe off look in the port and see if it is full of carbon from the pipe being full ..if you cant Liston to people then why do you ask???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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[sprite2011]

thisissohilariousandthatlastpostisclassic.

[dun rite]

either bbq the muffler, clean it chemically, or replace it. If the header pipe has a rust hole before the chamber, then by all means replace it. don't forget to use a new exhaust gasket at the same time.

the moveable drive face is the variator, in the back side of the variator are 6 roller weights. they more than likely have flat spots so no longer roll properly. again, remove the plate that is on the back side of the variator that is held on with the 3 screws and dispose of it.

Please view this http://hondaspree.net/wiki/index.php5?t ... Inspection

and this http://hondaspree.net/wiki/index.php5?t ... bonization

[Mystic]

order new exhaust and exhaust gasket, variator with ramp plate, roller weights and a belt, and 9:1.1 gears and you will get about 45 or so if your piston and rings are good try scooter assassins or VT cycles. might as well replace the belt and gears while you have the drive face and variator off oh yea and a #82 or 84 main jet if you have the sa50p restricted model and a pod style air filter

[sprite2011]

Mystic he doesn't want to go fast yet until he can get the scooter to run at stock speed.

[Motley Crue]

Great stuff, thanks. Mystic I will probably go with your suggestions and pick up the new exhaust and gasket, variator with ramp plate, roller weights and belt, and gears with the ratio you mentioned. If I get the additional speed increase then great, but definitely I'd like to see 35mph ASAP. dun rite thanks for the links, good stuff.

[Mystic]

I imagine his problem with stock speed originates with the drive train, if he replaces all of it with new parts the only problem will be if he doesnt install the parts right, this way basically removes any doubt as to whether the old stock parts function properly O.o Motley crue, if you order these parts you have to remove everything under the kickstart cover. the drive face and the driven face, just the 2 shafts sitting there naked then remove the transmission cover to switch the final gears you have to have the old one pressed off at a machine shop and hte new one pressed, I am pretty sure you wont be able to do that unless you have a 20 ton hydralic press, on reassemble you may need a transmission gasket if you do change the gears you might get by with the new variator, ramp plate,rollers and belt but if you are going to have all that stuff off why not change the gears, you can get them for about 25 dollars.