well that motor already went on another spree that wasn't running and parts off of that motor got parted out. guess i can just put this other dio on this spree. but i don't really want to spend the money to get the rest of the parts required to finish it off.Mystic wrote:if the main needle diameter or taper is wrong it would allow more gas to flow by it than needed causing it to flood I would think. and you are sure there are no vacuum leaks anywhere? like the oil pump o ring or exhaust?
--just a thought why dont you take the motor you took of the other spree for the swap and put it on the 87hahha if you sold some pieces just take them off the 87 motor lol
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lol dont know what o tell you then, you will just have to keep tinkering with it till you figure it out. if it is flooding try messing with the needle, like i said switch to a needle from another spree if it still runs hte same move the clip up to the top and try that, if it is flooding lean it out lol
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i've never had this much trouble leaning a motor out before lol.
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hhaha you are too funny dude, owls and crabs you come up with some funny off hte wall pics
1986 Spree/ Eve af16 swapped 65cc Prodigy vari 8g 9:1 Ruima gears
21mm OKO 42/100 32:1 45mph kymco zx exhaust
1994 Elite S 17.5mm Arreche, Daytona reeds, SEF ramp, pump plugged
1987 Elite SE50 af16 swapped
1989 Elite E SB50p
2003 Yamaha Zuma
21mm OKO 42/100 32:1 45mph kymco zx exhaust
1994 Elite S 17.5mm Arreche, Daytona reeds, SEF ramp, pump plugged

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Mystic wrote:hhaha you are too funny dude, owls and crabs you come up with some funny off hte wall pics

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lmmfao
that one must have been delivering a message from Hogwarts and got lost in the camel toe 


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21mm OKO 42/100 32:1 45mph kymco zx exhaust
1994 Elite S 17.5mm Arreche, Daytona reeds, SEF ramp, pump plugged
1987 Elite SE50 af16 swapped
1989 Elite E SB50p
2003 Yamaha Zuma
21mm OKO 42/100 32:1 45mph kymco zx exhaust
1994 Elite S 17.5mm Arreche, Daytona reeds, SEF ramp, pump plugged

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I tried ANOTHER crab today and same issue. Wont do anything unless the air screw is taken out. Im going to just part tjis one out. Anyone need anything from a red 87? All the plastics and signals are good
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Think this might be the problem?



This piston and cylinder are all scared up but the rings were good?



This piston and cylinder are all scared up but the rings were good?
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carbon build up? theoretically carbon build up in different spots under the rings caused them to not push in all the way. just an idea or dirt pulled in from a bad or missing airfilter at some point
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the 0ld captain we no were you hide you sand now or is it crab dodo ???
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could all the scaring be my problem? it had good compression, i guess because the rings were still good?
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they may of put new rings on a old piston the rings dont look as bad as the piston by the bad photo ..
its like putting new pepper behind bono then paint the car and sell it fast ..
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its like putting new pepper behind bono then paint the car and sell it fast ..
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se50 crank...
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ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
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se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
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Re: Actual Scooter Build: Step 4 - v.87
it does look like they put new rings on an old piston. the rings weren't broken or seized upswimmingfree wrote:they may of put new rings on a old piston the rings dont look as bad as the piston by the bad photo ..
its like putting new pepper behind bono then paint the car and sell it fast ..
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you think the cylinder could be honed? you have other pistons laying around dont you. I would think if hte rings were good a few scuffs on the piston wouldnt keep it from running. I know all the high and mightys say everything has to be new and perfect but i still say you can take fine grit sandpaper and clean a cylinders walls up and I use a bench grinder with a wire brush to clean carbon off of pistons 

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21mm OKO 42/100 32:1 45mph kymco zx exhaust
1994 Elite S 17.5mm Arreche, Daytona reeds, SEF ramp, pump plugged
1987 Elite SE50 af16 swapped
1989 Elite E SB50p
2003 Yamaha Zuma
21mm OKO 42/100 32:1 45mph kymco zx exhaust
1994 Elite S 17.5mm Arreche, Daytona reeds, SEF ramp, pump plugged

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Re: Actual Scooter Build: Step 4 - v.87
well the cylinder has some deep scratches all around the bottom half of it. i don't think i could just scuff those out because they are pretty deep. and the piston has scratches all the way around it also.Mystic wrote:you think the cylinder could be honed? you have other pistons laying around dont you. I would think if hte rings were good a few scuffs on the piston wouldnt keep it from running. I know all the high and mightys say everything has to be new and perfect but i still say you can take fine grit sandpaper and clean a cylinders walls up and I use a bench grinder with a wire brush to clean carbon off of pistons