Honda Elite -No Lowend pickup. New variator plate - weights?

[themeltingclock]

Hi!

Last year I got some great help here getting my elite running. The scooter only hit ~27MPH, which was a little dangerous for my commute. I ordered this aftermarket variator plateand replaced the drive belt. Aside from the limited top speed, the scooter ran great.

After installing the aftermarket variator plate, the scooter would barely get moving. I scratched my head for a bit and got the suggestion here that maybe the weights in the variator plate were too light. I happened to have the stock ones around, so I took the scooter apart and replaced the lightweight "racing" weights for the stock ones.

The scooter was immediately almost rideable again. It still struggles getting moving from a dead stop, but seems to run fine once above ~5MPH.

It's starting to get warm here again, so I'm starting to wonder if because I replaced the variator with a lighter, aluminum piece I need to look at putting a heavier-than-stock set of weights in the variator.

Any substance to this train of thinking?

[swimmingfree]

we need info ...
what year is ???
restrict or not???
did you up jet the carb??
compression test wood be nice as well..
so on and so on ..
swimmingfree
ps

you had the help of the best guy on here did you thy what hes said (Trafficjamz)

[themeltingclock]

we need info ...
what year is ???
restrict or not???
did you up jet the carb??
compression test wood be nice as well..
so on and so on ..
swimmingfree

My bad!

- It's a 93 Elite.
- Not restricted (that I am aware of)
- Yes, it has been re-jetted to my 5,000ft altitude (one step down from stock..82(?) I think?. Plugs are a nice golden brown.
- Never done a compression test. Not sure if it's needed given that it ran pretty well stock and only has 2500 miles on it.

[swimmingfree]

the plug shod be coco brown i think and you shod of up jet i think ?? but what to see what other have to say..
pull the expipe and see it there is a washer welded in the end .
swimmingfree

[themeltingclock]

the plug shod be coco brown i think and you shod of up jet i think ?? but what to see what other have to say..
pull the expipe and see it there is a washer welded in the end .
swimmingfree

Er...no, you get a smaller jet for higher elevations. Less air=less fuel. Looks like from my reading I actually may need lighter weights.

[breaze]

I believe the lighter weights would improve take-off if that is your problem.

Take this for what it's worth - I'm no expert but here's something that has helped me troubleshoot take-off problems:

Put scoot up on center stand, make sure the rear tire is off the ground, and snap the throttle a few times.

Responsive engine acceleration could point to roller weights, clutch spring, belt issues.

Engine acceleration lagging or not immediately responsive could point to air/fuel concerns - air leak, carb, seals.

Compression test is always a good start, just to rule out top end concerns.

[Bear45-70]

We have a problem here. The stock jet is an 88, so 82 would be 2 steps down which is right for the 5000 feet you live at, not 1 step down, which would be an 85 main jet. It still sounds slow, what is you compression? Oh and a slow top speed is not cause by your rollers, light or heavy.

[swimmingfree]

i read your other post
http://www.hondaspree.net/phpBB3/viewto ... =3&t=18560
im having a hard time getting this in my head arond this .. if you have done all that was given to you no your other post.. you shod be in the 30+++ range ..
did you clean the carb.. just because its running dont mean the carb is clean..
the pin on the slide on the carb were is it set .. shod be in the middle..
how did you set the carb .. the air screw is what im asking about..
swimmingfree

ps
i wood like to see a photo of your VARIATOR face with out the belt on it to see the were marks on it .. so we can see how munch it travelsas well as the ramp plate you are using.

[bakaracer]

Do a compression test. Even though the engine has 2500 miles on doesn't mean its still in top running shape. Also check to see if carbon is clogging the exhaust port window. That will be a major reason why it has no power. If there was cheap 2 stroke oil being run through it, it can clog up in less than 700 miles. The exhaust port tunnel won't clog up , it will be the window on the piston side of the exhaust port that gets clogged. What belt are you using and is it new or old?. Same with the rollers?

[swimmingfree]

here is a photo
top
show how the belt move on the VARIATOR showing how far in and out it move and as you see it dose not go all the way to the out side age but goes all the way to the middle.. the middle by the hole is for tack off the out side is for speed ..you shod have were on the VARIATOR
lower
this part is showing the diffident in the ramp plates .. the one on the left will allow more move meant in the VARIATOR an more speed ..the nut i use is the one off the expipe the stock 10mm

i believe if you dont have the right ramp plate the VARIATOR you have mines nothing ..
swimmingfree




By freeswimming at 2012-01-21

[bakaracer]

swim- I think there is more going on wrong then the variator. Even with a stock variator on a 93 elite50 af05e motor thats unrestriced,it should still do at least 35mph. That's why I said do a compression check and check for a clogged exhaust port. With low compression and a slightly clogged exhaust port window,the engine will start,run and rev up but when under load will have no power or low power.

[swimmingfree]

you may be right .. as well as carb or ex pipe and numbers of other things.. in till he dose a compression test we will never no it it is that .. he did chang the variator and rejeted and no change ..
we are all just guessing till we get some real info like the test will tell us..
swimmingfree

after re reading this post the first post i did say do a compression test .. but he has not done it or posted the number ..

[bakaracer]

He might be even running the restricted exhaust from the se50p or iowa for all we know. A clogged exhaust port will work the same as using the restricted exhaust.

[swimmingfree]

if the pipe is full of carbin or oil will do it as well ..
swimmingfree

[bakaracer]

If the pipe has carbon buildup in the j yes it can but not at the stinger or the outlet. If there was oil in the pipe it will smoke like * and burn off after being heated up or get spit out the end pipe. But the common area for lose of power is at the exhaust port window where the piston is. The cheap 2stroke oil will clog and cake up pretty fast. In some case within 300 miles it starts to form and get worst from there but it will never completly close up. At some point the carbon will break away and leave an opening from the power stroke. I have seen one that left a hole about the diameter of a pensil that still started and revd up but ran like crap when you jumped on it to ride.