Because I have tested it. A less restrictive, nonchamber pipe increased performance.Bear45-70 wrote:Just how do you know this?eliteguy50 wrote:It doesn't flow enough.bakaracer wrote:whats wrong with the stock exhaust?
stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
motormike wrote:Errands become adventures.
Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
Your lack of knowledge about 2 stroke is glaringly obvious. The only applies to 4 strokes, sometimes. Two stroke exhaust is a whole different world.eliteguy50 wrote:Because I have tested it. A less restrictive, nonchamber pipe increased performance.
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
No, I don't care which basic principles of physics Bear chooses to ignore.fastplastic wrote:theres a storm a brewin.....
motormike wrote:Errands become adventures.
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
i think the problem is you didnt use fancy words that only 2t gods know lol (its all in fun bear dont get mad)
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
the way i see the pipe thing is were to set the pipe power band??
if you set it low for tack off it wont help at top end speed it will hurt it... and if you bill the pipe for max rpm you hurt tack off big time... when tune a verater motor you set the rollers to shift in the power band..
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if you set it low for tack off it wont help at top end speed it will hurt it... and if you bill the pipe for max rpm you hurt tack off big time... when tune a verater motor you set the rollers to shift in the power band..
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
dont forget torque spring and clutch grab springs if you can tune you take off to get the pipe "hot" that helps too
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
if you cool set the power band at about 4000 rpm i think it wood be the best spot .. i had a progam to bild a pipe but my computer crash im looking for it now on the net .. it hade fue tipe of pipe endro is the one that i think wood be the best to use becase the power band was the bigest but did not give the bigist bost to the hp ...
and do the stuff that fastplastic boy it cood be a stage 4
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and do the stuff that fastplastic boy it cood be a stage 4
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se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
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se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
Your trouble is you still have no clue about 2 stoke tuning and refuse to read up on it and learn, because I've seen noobee 2 stroke racer use your theory (Well, it worked on my race car.....) and go slower, so yes, 2 stroke exhaust tuning does defy physics. What works for 4 stroke will kill a good two stroke engine. Four strokes basically require you to get the exhaust gas out as fast as possible (zoomies on fuel cars are and example), not so with a 2 stroke. Oh and I know a lot more about 4 stroke tuning, especially 4 stroke exhaust tuning than you do.eliteguy50 wrote:No, I don't care which basic principles of physics Bear chooses to ignore.fastplastic wrote:theres a storm a brewin.....
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
So what its not about who knows more or who can spew out technical stuff faster. At the end of the day its about whos got the fastest bikeBear45-70 wrote:Your trouble is you still have no clue about 2 stoke tuning and refuse to read up on it and learn, because I've seen noobee 2 stroke racer use your theory (Well, it worked on my race car.....) and go slower, so yes, 2 stroke exhaust tuning does defy physics. What works for 4 stroke will kill a good two stroke engine. Four strokes basically require you to get the exhaust gas out as fast as possible (zoomies on fuel cars are and example), not so with a 2 stroke. Oh and I know a lot more about 4 stroke tuning, especially 4 stroke exhaust tuning than you do.eliteguy50 wrote:No, I don't care which basic principles of physics Bear chooses to ignore.fastplastic wrote:theres a storm a brewin.....
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
The Problems with the stock spree pipe:
1. That quick right angle bend it the beginning is not a great design for power.
2. It was designed for a 50cc engine
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
You guys do not want me * off enough to start building a racer. Two things, I have a nice budget and I cheat like *. When you "know it alls" start being faster than Tjamz, wheelman and baka, then I might be bothered by you enough to build a go fast. But back in the day all you "know it alls, who really don't know s***" got beaten continually by me and I did it on a very restricted budget. When you have done something special and/or even beaten someone, then throw your challenge until thenkingkamehameha wrote:So what its not about who knows more or who can spew out technical stuff faster. At the end of the day its about whos got the fastest bike
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
Not bad for a turd. It really doesn't sound like it revs nearly as high as it used to, and at WOT the pipe makes a strange sound. It really feels held back

Looking close at this one
https://www.treatland.tv/honda-MB5-homo ... e-70cc.htm
And this one
https://www.treatland.tv/honda-dio-simo ... -black.htm

Looking close at this one
https://www.treatland.tv/honda-MB5-homo ... e-70cc.htm
And this one
https://www.treatland.tv/honda-dio-simo ... -black.htm
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
not bad for a turdspree
did you gut a pipe???
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looking for
se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
looking for
se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
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Re: stage 3 spree. need a pipe!!!
swimmingfree wrote:not bad for a turdspreedid you gut a pipe???
swimmingfree
Nope. Still in the air on which path to take.
I emailed treatland and the guy spoke very highly of the Dio pipe I linked above
'86 Honda Spree : taz stage3 w/ mild porting, head milled 0.015", and pulley mod. 2k+ mies on kit
'80 Puch Magnum MKII
'78 Maxi Newport. Polini 64cc case matched, hi comp head, Rito alum crank, delorto 21mm race, etc.
'78 PA50 Hobbit
'80 Puch Magnum MKII
'78 Maxi Newport. Polini 64cc case matched, hi comp head, Rito alum crank, delorto 21mm race, etc.
'78 PA50 Hobbit