Spree - Carb -o- Death
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- swimmingfree
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Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
the plug you need is in the manual....
swimmingfree
swimmingfree
handicap (dyslexia)
looking for
se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
looking for
se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
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Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
NGK BPR6HS plug
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84 Spree stock
84 Spree Dio AF18E MHR Cylinder Arrow Pipe 28mm OKO
80 Express, 47mm DR BBKit, Weak Ends Intake, Boyesen Dual stage reeds, 19mm Delorto carb, MLM pipe
79 Express
85 Aero 80 stock
84 elite 125 stock
84 Spree stock
84 Spree Dio AF18E MHR Cylinder Arrow Pipe 28mm OKO
80 Express, 47mm DR BBKit, Weak Ends Intake, Boyesen Dual stage reeds, 19mm Delorto carb, MLM pipe
79 Express
85 Aero 80 stock
84 elite 125 stock
Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
I passed out,
took a little nap.
Went out and took pictures and a one minute video of
the beast and it's symptoms.
now the plug looks black, it loads up like it is too rich,
yet still dies at full throttle.
should I post pics and vieo here?
I could make a youtube video and post a link here.
thank you everyone.
Dave
took a little nap.
Went out and took pictures and a one minute video of
the beast and it's symptoms.
now the plug looks black, it loads up like it is too rich,
yet still dies at full throttle.
should I post pics and vieo here?
I could make a youtube video and post a link here.
thank you everyone.
Dave
Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
The video won't load on youtube.
Maybe I should ride it like it is.
Maybe I should ride it like it is.
Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
Raw Dog...
How does it idle.... fine?
If so then maybe your main jet needle is seated high? What is the main jet on that thing? There is a number on it... that is the size.
Think those things are like #68. What position is the main jet needle? If you are sealed up with clean oiled filter - then maybe you are up to high on the main jet needle (typically they should be in the middle of needle grooves - verify in the service manual)?
Did you download the service manual - it a great tool every spree wrencher should have.
I had a condition like yours where someone was over compensating for a blocked pilot... and jacked the main needle. I cleaned the pilot and put the needle back to the correct position - now it runs like a champ.
For grins what is your compression number... birthday boy Path would typically suggest that folks have shinny cylinder - just needing a cylinder hone.
Does it bog on the center stand at WOT... if it does not, then it would point to a compression issue.
Best of luck... report back.
How does it idle.... fine?
If so then maybe your main jet needle is seated high? What is the main jet on that thing? There is a number on it... that is the size.
Think those things are like #68. What position is the main jet needle? If you are sealed up with clean oiled filter - then maybe you are up to high on the main jet needle (typically they should be in the middle of needle grooves - verify in the service manual)?
Did you download the service manual - it a great tool every spree wrencher should have.
I had a condition like yours where someone was over compensating for a blocked pilot... and jacked the main needle. I cleaned the pilot and put the needle back to the correct position - now it runs like a champ.
For grins what is your compression number... birthday boy Path would typically suggest that folks have shinny cylinder - just needing a cylinder hone.
Does it bog on the center stand at WOT... if it does not, then it would point to a compression issue.
Best of luck... report back.
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Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
That needle will get you like that for sure. I agree if it starts and idles fine it proib ain't the pilot now. Its probably a given that it has what I have now named "Shiny Bore Syndrome" but I suspect something else is the issue causing it die unless its been soft seizeing. Usually "SBS" shows up as runs fine until it gets hot on a long ride and the take off just starts to get worse and worse.
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84 Spree stock
84 Spree Dio AF18E MHR Cylinder Arrow Pipe 28mm OKO
80 Express, 47mm DR BBKit, Weak Ends Intake, Boyesen Dual stage reeds, 19mm Delorto carb, MLM pipe
79 Express
85 Aero 80 stock
84 elite 125 stock
84 Spree stock
84 Spree Dio AF18E MHR Cylinder Arrow Pipe 28mm OKO
80 Express, 47mm DR BBKit, Weak Ends Intake, Boyesen Dual stage reeds, 19mm Delorto carb, MLM pipe
79 Express
85 Aero 80 stock
84 elite 125 stock
Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
I dunno the jet size, even with these reading glasses. The jet has to be screwed in as far as it will go as it holds that brass tube with holes in it, in place. It will rev up and die on the kickstand with the wheel spinning on riding it with a load on it.
I am at a loss.
I am at a loss.
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Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
You will likely burn it up if you ride it like that. If its as lean as it sounds a melted piston on will be the result. Put it on the stand get it to idle and put your fingers partially over the intake holes of the air box as you try to rev it up. Vary how much you choke it as you rev it. If you get it to rev up that way its lean somewhere. It may be easier to pull the hose off of the carb to do it, not every one can reach under on the air box and rev at the same time. Where there is no manual choke this is an easy way to richen things up.
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84 Spree stock
84 Spree Dio AF18E MHR Cylinder Arrow Pipe 28mm OKO
80 Express, 47mm DR BBKit, Weak Ends Intake, Boyesen Dual stage reeds, 19mm Delorto carb, MLM pipe
79 Express
85 Aero 80 stock
84 elite 125 stock
84 Spree stock
84 Spree Dio AF18E MHR Cylinder Arrow Pipe 28mm OKO
80 Express, 47mm DR BBKit, Weak Ends Intake, Boyesen Dual stage reeds, 19mm Delorto carb, MLM pipe
79 Express
85 Aero 80 stock
84 elite 125 stock
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Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
Dude swap in a dio
86 Nifty Fifty (spree)
ZX disk brake
Kitico 120kmh speedo
AF18 ZX ported
Polini corsa
Malossi crank
CTmani
24mmOKO
40pilot118main
Scorpion pipe
8.44 to 1
Michelin s1
71.3mph
92 yz125, 94 crm250
ZX disk brake
Kitico 120kmh speedo
AF18 ZX ported
Polini corsa
Malossi crank
CTmani
24mmOKO
40pilot118main
Scorpion pipe
8.44 to 1
Michelin s1
71.3mph
92 yz125, 94 crm250
Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
Good idea!
Hand choking it will tell if the bowl is emptying out or not as well. Yeah, I do not want to seize it.
Dio motor? Same carb,on them?
Hand choking it will tell if the bowl is emptying out or not as well. Yeah, I do not want to seize it.
Dio motor? Same carb,on them?
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Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
No the dio carb won't really fit I've been told, the by starter doesn't clear the shock. And he didn't mean swap in a dio carb from a dio, he meant swap in a while dio motor :-\ from a trouble shooting point of view that isn't the best idea, what if the new motor has more issues than the spree motor does in the first place.
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84 Spree stock
84 Spree Dio AF18E MHR Cylinder Arrow Pipe 28mm OKO
80 Express, 47mm DR BBKit, Weak Ends Intake, Boyesen Dual stage reeds, 19mm Delorto carb, MLM pipe
79 Express
85 Aero 80 stock
84 elite 125 stock
84 Spree stock
84 Spree Dio AF18E MHR Cylinder Arrow Pipe 28mm OKO
80 Express, 47mm DR BBKit, Weak Ends Intake, Boyesen Dual stage reeds, 19mm Delorto carb, MLM pipe
79 Express
85 Aero 80 stock
84 elite 125 stock
- swimmingfree
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Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
some people only answer is " Dude swap in a dio "
swimmingfree
swimmingfree
handicap (dyslexia)
looking for
se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
looking for
se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
This morning I am borrowing
The neighbor's chinese 150cc
to run errands.
It is an xing brand.
I get to ride it whenever I want because I work
On it. Amazing how much goes wrong with it when it is
Only two years old.
I really want to ride my Honda.
Dave
The neighbor's chinese 150cc
to run errands.
It is an xing brand.
I get to ride it whenever I want because I work
On it. Amazing how much goes wrong with it when it is
Only two years old.
I really want to ride my Honda.
Dave
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Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
i hope your getting a new plug ( NGK BPR6HS ) if you running some old plug you had laying around it cood be to cold ..
swimmingfree
swimmingfree
handicap (dyslexia)
looking for
se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
looking for
se50 crank...
SpreJunk 87elite in a spree body
ruckus variator , 3.5 tire , 1500 drive face spring , a 64 bbk ,
8 gram rollers, stock carb , after market air filter and 105 jet
Re: Spree - Carb -o- Death
Good idea!
I will get that new plug.
Thank you.

I will get that new plug.
Thank you.

