Bad bearing?
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Bad bearing?
Bought a 1987 Spree, got it running but it doesn't sound quite right.
Pulled the trans cover and spark plug and spun the front pulley. Spins free for a turn or so then sticks a bit, then spins free again.
Bad bearing?
Pulled the trans cover and spark plug and spun the front pulley. Spins free for a turn or so then sticks a bit, then spins free again.
Bad bearing?
1987 Honda Spree - Black - Purchased 3/9/2015
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
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Re: Bad bearing?
Greetings:
Could be a bearing, but failure of those caged marvels is uncommon compared to piston-cylinder scuffing. I think the latter is far more likely.
Could be a bearing, but failure of those caged marvels is uncommon compared to piston-cylinder scuffing. I think the latter is far more likely.
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Re: Bad bearing?
Sounds like you are feeling the compression stroke, nothing more... 
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Re: Bad bearing?
Greetings:
He pulled the spark plug, MM. One other thing that can catch or feel draggy is the alternator magnet. Removing the head might reveal carbon or debris in the combustion chamber. If not, the base gasket must be sacrificed to inspect the cylinder, then those bearings. In any case stuff must be dismantled.
He pulled the spark plug, MM. One other thing that can catch or feel draggy is the alternator magnet. Removing the head might reveal carbon or debris in the combustion chamber. If not, the base gasket must be sacrificed to inspect the cylinder, then those bearings. In any case stuff must be dismantled.
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Re: Bad bearing?
Wheelman-111 wrote:Greetings:He pulled the spark plug, MM.
Good catch about flywheel magnetic force...
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Re: Bad bearing?
Ripped it apart and it is indeed the bearing


1987 Honda Spree - Black - Purchased 3/9/2015
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
- Wheelman-111
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Re: Bad bearing?
Greetings:
Just when you hope it's not as bad as you think...
Your diagnosis would appear to be correct, but Yikes! Wha' Happen??
Fortunately you can knock those bad ones out, CLEAN everything, paying special attention to the crank big-end. (I'd probably spend some time in a solvent tank and compressed air...) and rebuild like new with stock or a Taz big-bore kit. We call it "Upgrade Opportunity".
Just when you hope it's not as bad as you think...
Your diagnosis would appear to be correct, but Yikes! Wha' Happen??
Fortunately you can knock those bad ones out, CLEAN everything, paying special attention to the crank big-end. (I'd probably spend some time in a solvent tank and compressed air...) and rebuild like new with stock or a Taz big-bore kit. We call it "Upgrade Opportunity".
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Re: Bad bearing?
Wheelman-111 wrote:Greetings:
Just when you hope it's not as bad as you think...
Your diagnosis would appear to be correct, but Yikes! Wha' Happen??
Fortunately you can knock those bad ones out, CLEAN everything, paying special attention to the crank big-end. (I'd probably spend some time in a solvent tank and compressed air...) and rebuild like new with stock or a Taz big-bore kit. We call it "Upgrade Opportunity".
Ordered new bearings already (both sides because why not) and ordered a Taz 48mm kit!
1987 Honda Spree - Black - Purchased 3/9/2015
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
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Re: Bad bearing?
Greetings:
The bad bearing showered its debris on the other bearing for sure, both need to go. The big-end of the crank isn't as exposed, but I'd be sure to clean the snot out of that one, and then maybe do some measuring (Service Manual) to make sure you're not bolting that shiny 48 up to a bad crank.
The bad bearing showered its debris on the other bearing for sure, both need to go. The big-end of the crank isn't as exposed, but I'd be sure to clean the snot out of that one, and then maybe do some measuring (Service Manual) to make sure you're not bolting that shiny 48 up to a bad crank.
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Re: Bad bearing?
Wheelman-111 wrote:Greetings:
The bad bearing showered its debris on the other bearing for sure, both need to go. The big-end of the crank isn't as exposed, but I'd be sure to clean the snot out of that one, and then maybe do some measuring (Service Manual) to make sure you're not bolting that shiny 48 up to a bad crank.
Will do!
So what new gaskets do I need? Crankcase gasket, head gaskets, and inlet gasket where the reeds are is my current list.
1987 Honda Spree - Black - Purchased 3/9/2015
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
Re: Bad bearing?
Any clue on gaskets?
1987 Honda Spree - Black - Purchased 3/9/2015
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
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- Location: Deepinnaharta, Texas
Re: Bad bearing?
Greetings:
That's pretty much all you need if you lifted the manifold.
That's pretty much all you need if you lifted the manifold.
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Re: Bad bearing?
Perfect! Thank you so much for the help!! Can't wait to have it running again!
Any clue on the belt size to increase the top speed a bit?
Any clue on the belt size to increase the top speed a bit?
1987 Honda Spree - Black - Purchased 3/9/2015
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
48mm Big Bore Kit
Complete engine rebuild - All new seals, bearings, piston, cylinder, and gaskets
