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No_Stopping_A_Spree · Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:39 pm

MySpree wrote:no oil in the gas, the elite s has a big big oiler, it will die if u put oil in the gas.

I put about an ounce of oil in my gas everytime I fill up and mine is stock(hitting 37-38 average and 40-45 every once and a while). If I run under half throttle for a while she smokes while I ride and on cold startup she smokes really good..lets just say it throws out thick smoke and I have to hold it around 1/4 to 1/2 throttle for 10-15 seconds to get all the smoke out so it has normal power. I usually ride 3/4 to full throttle where ever I go so I like to feel a little more safe doing this. My plug was a good color last I checked, although I need to do a plug chop to actually check the truth.

MySpree · Post by **MySpree** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:31 pm

mine was flodding out on oil. and fowling out everthing.

No_Stopping_A_Spree · Post by **No_Stopping_A_Spree** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:07 pm

maybe your carb was set up richer than mine is

Dac · Post by **Dac** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:53 pm

running rich is good because it makes your motor last longer. the down side being it burns plugs out, and carbons everything. running rich with so-so oil will plug up your pipe over a year.

No_Stopping_A_Spree · Post by **No_Stopping_A_Spree** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:33 pm

Dac wrote:running rich is good because it makes your motor last longer. the down side being it burns plugs out, and carbons everything. running rich with so-so oil will plug up your pipe over a year.

how are synthetic oils with carbon?

Dac · Post by **Dac** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:41 pm

good question

No_Stopping_A_Spree · Post by **No_Stopping_A_Spree** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:50 pm

I'd think they'd have less carbon build up but I am not sure

Dac · Post by **Dac** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:51 pm

makes since. if it had more one know would use it.

No_Stopping_A_Spree · Post by **No_Stopping_A_Spree** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:10 pm

So I'm thinking about doing this really bad now what speeds will I get with a 63cc and a 72 cc respectively? Just an average to help me decide upon which one I should get.

Also about how long would this take? I'm thinking of taking it to a mechanic my dad is friends with and having him put in the bore kit and a 1500rmp clutch spring and the main thing determining whether I get the bore kit or not depends on how long it would take(estimated) I don't have a job so money is a problem yet I won't do it myself and mess it up and knowing mechanics are expensive this is going to be the worst part

Dac · Post by **Dac** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:16 pm

well i got some guides up.

''How to Install a Bore Kit''

''How To Install a Gear Set.''

"How to Install a New Center Spring"

"How to Check the Rollers for Flat Spots."

That will help you with almost all questions you got about how to do it. you can do most of this with a basic tool kit so nothing to worrie about there.

Bore kit ((once all the body is off) can install a bore kit in about an hour or 2. First time took me about 2 hours because i was going super slow and scarred. if you get down to business and speed though it your looking around 30 minutes.)
Gears ( takes allot longer. like a good hour and half of work taking apart your trans)
Center spring ( about 15-30 minutes pending if you have done it before and if you have the tools)
Checking the rollers ( 15-30 minutes pending if you have done it before and if you have the tools.)

These times are average for a every day person. im sure if some worked on mopeds every day and had every tool available right that second it would be allot less. those times are average people times.

Ok thats the times. now lets talk parts.

this is what all i just got from VTcycles. This is a very week kit compared to some peoples set up. Its a weak 72cc bore kit , 1000 rpm spring , 8.44.1 gears ( a must for bore kits) and rollers and gaskets and stuff. Cost me about 175$ with shipping.

My step dad and i put all this stuff on,swapped springs in a few other mopeds, and replaced the rollers in different bike all in a about 3 hours.
With this set up on my bike ( my bike and your bike have the same motor) i can hit 50mph easy.
If you can stand to spend 600$ or so you can get a better 72cc bore, tail pipe, carb. and intake , trans, gears. your looking at 75mph or so but again your looking 550$ minim.

These kits can very so much brand to band. dont think all 72cc kits are the same. Mine is a CMR, basicly just a stock cylinder bored out. But some brands such as Corsa are cylinders custom made for speed.
Although there both 72cc a corsa can make a moped hit 75mph compared to CMR can go mabie 60mph if everything else was on it.

But a Corsa kit requires you to have a aftermarket pipe(125-200+$) carb and intake ( 160$ or so) gears ( 45$ or so) and a good trans set up.

compared to a CMR requires a bigger jet for the carb.(5$) and a gear change (45$ or so) .

It really depends what your going for. I just happen to be looking for a mid-grade kit. something under 200 that would leave that 35mph mark behind. and thats what i got. But if you want to spend 600$ or so and go highway speeds its a hole another path.

Ill help you any way. any question you got just ask. Just because i got this et up doesnt mean i dont know anything about the others.

Elite1998 · Post by **Elite1998** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:46 pm

So I just wanted to say that I plan on doing some work this summer sometime when I get the money around..I'd like to start now but I have repair work to do on my car and funds are low as it is because I just bought a new sled and haven't been working much.

But what I'm thinking of getting a a good 72cc bore kit, an exhaust(not sure what yet) and possibly a bigger carb.

Since I live in town I'm not sure if I want to get the pg long pipe because its more of a high speed pipe and that it is quite loud from what I've heard.
Although I just browsed the vtcycles website and was thinking of the Phongeer (PG) Sectional Muffler (formerly know as the PG Yosh).
But I really like the look of those Technigas pipes but don't know what they'd do for performance.

I guess I do have a few more months to think this over though just thought I'd update.

Oh I probably should add I have a Kelli high-speed pulley and 9.1 gears now.
I don't really want to buy new gears so I'd probably still with the 9.1 unless it wouldn't give me much more of a speed increase.(I know I would have insane acceleration for a moped)

Anyone have and idea what a speed would be with the mods I've done already with a good bore kit?

With just those two add-ons I get speeds of 45-50mph without wind.

Elite1998 · Post by **Elite1998** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:40 pm

So which kit from Polini do you think would be good for this setup:
9.1 gears, some type of aftermarket exhaust, probably a bigger carb, kelly hs variator, probably will play with the roller weights, stock airbox.
Corsa or Contesta?

The contesta has a higher redline but is also 75 bucks more expensive.

veedubh20 · Post by **veedubh20** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:24 am

This setup will go 60mph not worry about be noisy motor.

you can run Mikuni 18mm VM carb wit stock box w/ stock intake honda
polini contesta bore is good!! can port out on exhaust port like corsa will go fast if you dont like pay extra $75.oo.

Elite1998 · Post by **Elite1998** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:04 pm

That doesn't sound to shabby..now to decide if I should go about doing it..which I'm sure I will just to have the best moped in town x2..its the best one now imo so yeah muah

burnt_toast · Post by **burnt_toast** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:33 am

yo Dac, just noticed the base gaskets in that parts pic above, Charmo bore looks like it has large AF28 style boost port!

If so, you'd probably stand to gain some performance just by widening your boost port case area, was what I started to do when I got my 85cc kit.

Or upgrading to Contessa kit would do the trick lol, suprised VT would sell you the CMR kit without mentioning that