Honda Elite 50S 1987 Service Manual

88lowrider · Post by **88lowrider** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:55 am

Hi.
I have downloaded the 1988 - 2001 manual but found it different from my 1987 ES50 Elite.

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of at least the electrical section of the 1987 manual ?

I am fighting a weak spark issue and can't even find the CDI unit on mine without taking the whole thing apart.
I tested the coil but need to test other items.

Thanks for your help.

Post by **noiseguy** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:31 pm

Try the 88-93 one.

Kenny_McCormic · Post by **Kenny_McCormic** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:57 pm

Dont you mean SE50?[/u]

88lowrider · Post by **88lowrider** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:52 pm

noiseguy wrote:Try the 88-93 one.

Thanks, I will try that one..

88lowrider · Post by **88lowrider** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:53 pm

Kenny_McCormic wrote:Dont you mean SE50?[/u]

Yep, your right, its a SE50, 1987

88lowrider · Post by **88lowrider** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:13 am

88lowrider wrote:
noiseguy wrote:Try the 88-93 one.
Thanks, I will try that one..

I downloaded the 88 - 93 manual and its not the same as mine.
Mine has battery up under the seat just in between the fuel tank and oil tank.

Will this board allow me to upload pictures of it ?
Thanks again.

dukemartini · Post by **dukemartini** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:36 am

I have the same scoot, and the motor is the same but the layout of things on the scooter is different. so the manual won't help for everything. you can totally upload pics to this site and the people here are sharp as * and will be able to help just by seeing whats in a picture.

88lowrider · Post by **88lowrider** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:50 am

dukemartini wrote:I have the same scoot, and the motor is the same but the layout of things on the scooter is different. so the manual won't help for everything. you can totally upload pics to this site and the people here are sharp as * and will be able to help just by seeing whats in a picture.

Once it stops raining, I will go uncover it and get some pictures.
I also need to take the pressure washer to it as she is pretty dirty under the the side covers. I can see now I have to take better care of her.

I am looking for the CDI unit on mine and its not around the battery that I can find.
If I knew a manual would be of My scooter with all the illustrations of My scoot, I would order one and share the parts that are different.
I also noticed that the color coding on the wiring is different on mine as the regulator wiring are at least different from the manuals that are available for downloading.

Do you know were your CDI is located ?..

dukemartini · Post by **dukemartini** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:54 am

ok, my cdi is next to the fuse holder on the battery box. I don't really know what you have to take off to get to it, i needed to tear my entire scooter apart so i didn't pay attention to what panels came off when...i don't know if that helps but i hope it does.

GIJoeBob · Post by **GIJoeBob** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:38 pm

1 - CDI
2 - Ignition Coil
3 - Ignition Seal
4 - Noise Suppressor
5 - Rectifier
6 - Wire Harness
7 - Harness Protector
8 - Fuse Case
9 - Multiconnector
10 - Cable Band
11 - Lock Set
12 - Combination and Lock Switch Assembly
13 - Blank Key
14 - Resistor
15 - Horn
16 - Flange Bolt
17 - U-Lock Flat Screw
18 - Flange Nut
19 - Flange Nut
20 - 10 Amp Fuse

88lowrider · Post by **88lowrider** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:01 pm

GIJoeBob wrote:

1 - CDI
2 - Ignition Coil
3 - Ignition Seal
4 - Noise Suppressor
5 - Rectifier
6 - Wire Harness
7 - Harness Protector
8 - Fuse Case
9 - Multiconnector
10 - Cable Band
11 - Lock Set
12 - Combination and Lock Switch Assembly
13 - Blank Key
14 - Resistor
15 - Horn
16 - Flange Bolt
17 - U-Lock Flat Screw
18 - Flange Nut
19 - Flange Nut
20 - 10 Amp Fuse

That is the Same Scooter, Same Color and everthing, well, almost, mine has Way more dirt on it

I seen that thing and the only thing to do to get to it was to pull the right side cover off. In fact, I might have been able to get to that without pulling the cover.

I looked at both manuals that are available (88 and newer) as well as the Spree manual looking for the pin out/color code for testing.
Everything is different then ours.

My plan was to Junk out my Honda Spree for parts - if they would interchange After testing to make sure I found what was bad.
I was hoping not to just start replacing things in hopes to get the spark back where it belongs.
I have spark but its so weak that its really hard to see.
The old spark plug that was in it was one of those with the tiny point contact and you could see a faint spark. The stock plug I got from the Honda shop, no spark shows at all. I tested the coil, ohms wise, and it showed to be within the tolerances they gave for 88 and newer.

So to continue the plan, its testing all the parts with the instructions on the shop manual to find what is bad.
I seen the Alternator might be the culprit too, just don't have those pages of the manual for the testing information.

I just need to find someone that has that manual, then I can post the pages we need.

What started this whole adventure was the fact that it used to be hard starting, now No starting.

Thanks for the images, I really appreciate your time and effort.
Joe

GIJoeBob · Post by **GIJoeBob** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:46 am

More info here - http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/Elite_1.html

88lowrider · Post by **88lowrider** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:04 pm

GIJoeBob wrote:More info here - http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/Elite_1.html

I looked mine over real well.
I also tore into the 1986 Honda Spree to see what it had.

The item you have in the picture turns out to be a Relay just so you know. It has two big wires and two smaller wires on it.
Once looking up the number, Mitsuba RC-2208, they show it as a Headlight relay for one. Nevertheless, its not our CDI unit.

I looked All over for anything in that area and can recognize all the items found...

Next is to pull off the front fairing and see what is up that way.

I did get the CDI off the Honda Spree and can't find anything on the Elite that is like it so far..
Joe

Kenny_McCormic · Post by **Kenny_McCormic** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:28 pm

88lowrider wrote:
GIJoeBob wrote:More info here - http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/Elite_1.html
I looked mine over real well.
I also tore into the 1986 Honda Spree to see what it had.

The item you have in the picture turns out to be a Relay just so you know. It has two big wires and two smaller wires on it.
Once looking up the number, Mitsuba RC-2208, they show it as a Headlight relay for one. Nevertheless, its not our CDI unit.

I looked All over for anything in that area and can recognize all the items found...

Next is to pull off the front fairing and see what is up that way.

I did get the CDI off the Honda Spree and can't find anything on the Elite that is like it so far..
Joe

Wouldn't be in the fairing, start tracing wires, that relay is for the starter.

88lowrider · Post by **88lowrider** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:44 am

Kenny_McCormic wrote:
88lowrider wrote:
GIJoeBob wrote:More info here - http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/Elite_1.html
I looked mine over real well.
I also tore into the 1986 Honda Spree to see what it had.

The item you have in the picture turns out to be a Relay just so you know. It has two big wires and two smaller wires on it.
Once looking up the number, Mitsuba RC-2208, they show it as a Headlight relay for one. Nevertheless, its not our CDI unit.

I looked All over for anything in that area and can recognize all the items found...

Next is to pull off the front fairing and see what is up that way.

I did get the CDI off the Honda Spree and can't find anything on the Elite that is like it so far..
Joe
Wouldn't be in the fairing, start tracing wires, that relay is for the starter.

The wiring is the same as the picture above, a wad of wire goes around the front of the, I guess you could call it the seat tower into a rubber bag, which I opened to see just connections to the carb and motor.
The rest of that wad of wire goes up to the front.

The wiring harness above shows #1 being the CDI and the image of that looks like the same thing I took off the Honda Spree.

After reading about those CDI's, the are the thing that limits RPM's and speed. If the one off the Spree works, I get spark back, then it might go slower due to its limit in that CDI.
Anyway, I am just trying to find out why my spark is weak.
I am hoping its not the Alt were that all has to come down to be fixed.
Will keep looking.
Joe

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