Flooding out....PO job maybe?

dgsoles · Post by **dgsoles** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:16 pm

Ok, so, I've taken my carb apart for the 10th time. Getting quite good at it. Now, my Spree seems to flooding out after a couple minutes of idling, or after a few seconds of throttling (whichever comes first). I was wondering if anybody knew how to check to see if the idle (pilot) jet is damaged. I'm going to be checking the bystarter operation tomorrow, but the guy who owned this before me said he cleaned the carb. I don't know if he was shy about jamming stuff through jets. I mean, it could either be my float (needle) valve, float level, bad bystarter, or a damaged idle jet, right? Anyhow, if anyone knows how to check the idle jet for proper operation, do tell. Thanks again, keep up the awesome work!

tru72 · Post by **tru72** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:28 pm

check your petcock to see if its not closing. A easy test is to pull off the gsa line , if gas flows from it, the petcock needs to be replaced or sometimes its just stuck. Get the vacuum line that goes to and and give it a good suck..sometimes that unlocks it if your lucky, dont blow air into it cause it can be damaged internally.
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dgsoles · Post by **dgsoles** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:06 pm

Petcock operates normally, no flow when engine is off/no suction, and plenty of flow when engine is on/suction applied (with my mouth). I have transparent fuel and vacuum lines, so that helps a bit.

Bear45-70 · Post by **Bear45-70** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:30 pm

I would suspect for your description that you needle and seat and/or float are the problem. Since it doesn't do it when the engine is off.

ALOW1 · Post by **ALOW1** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:35 pm

Bear45-70 wrote:I would suspect for your description that you needle and seat and/or float are the problem. Since it doesn't do it when the engine is off.

I am with Bear on this.

dgsoles · Post by **dgsoles** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:44 pm

Alright, thanks guys. I'm soaking the carb in some cleaner right now, I'm going to give it one more good cleaning. If it still does this, I think I'll buy a new needle valve.

Bear45-70 · Post by **Bear45-70** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:50 pm

dgsoles wrote:Alright, thanks guys. I'm soaking the carb in some cleaner right now, I'm going to give it one more good cleaning. If it still does this, I think I'll buy a new needle valve.

Try squirting either carb cleaner (spray can), brake cleaner or WD-40 thru all the passages to make sure they are clear. Soaking sometimes just doesn't clear them.

dgsoles · Post by **dgsoles** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:15 am

Oh, I will. Once it soaks for a couple of days, I'm going to blow it out with 120 psi. Then, maybe I'll soak it again for another day, and blow it out again. Then, I'll rinse with some more carb cleaner. Then, I'll check the float level (not that I can do much adjusting on these Sprees), and see if it works...if it still floods out, I'll replace the needle valve. If it still floods out.......well, I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Thank you guys for the help.

minihondaclub · Post by **minihondaclub** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:56 am

Make sure your float is not broken where it sits with the needle and that all the carb parts for the float bowl are there. I had a lot of issues with the previous owner who "cleaned the carb" himself. He broke parts and left some crucial ones off.

My flooding issue was a broken float and a missing screw for the float pin.

Good Luck and hope this helps. Check out the diagrams in the OEM parts that companies have for these scooters, they have helped me realize a lot of whats missing and where stuff actually goes.

http://www.powersportspro.com/pages/par ... Honda.aspx

Bear45-70 · Post by **Bear45-70** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:15 pm

dgsoles wrote:Oh, I will. Once it soaks for a couple of days, I'm going to blow it out with 120 psi. Then, maybe I'll soak it again for another day, and blow it out again. Then, I'll rinse with some more carb cleaner. Then, I'll check the float level (not that I can do much adjusting on these Sprees), and see if it works...if it still floods out, I'll replace the needle valve. If it still floods out.......well, I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Thank you guys for the help.

High pressure air and carbs are a bad mix. The max pressure you should use is 35 PSI Carb manufactures include this info on rebuilds, why Honda didn't is a mystery to me. The high pressures can blown out pressed in parts and you will never know they are gone and then the carb will never work right.

dgsoles · Post by **dgsoles** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:13 pm

Thanks for the advice, I will be very careful with the air. My only problem it seems is getting the dang pilot jet unplugged....whatever in there is solid as a rock. Oh well, I'll get it out, with patience.

Kenny_McCormic · Post by **Kenny_McCormic** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:25 pm

The pilot is only suposed to pass a pinprick of light.