1997 Elite: Spark and gas, no start? HELP!

Dac · Post by **Dac** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:52 pm

Bear45-70 wrote:
new2elite wrote:well I'm not opposed to stock, but id have to buy the air box, filter, and whole assembly. i got it with nothing at all attached to the carb. so I'm just spending like $10 on a clamp on style filter from a local shop. what kinda jet would be applicable for this? probably pretty big with the open air eh. + i think it needs a new jet anyways as this one has some corrosion and rust in it.
They show up used in the Wanted/For Sale Forum. Look and see what's there. Going after market is gonna cost more than just the filter. You will either spend hours restricting the aftermarket filter to duplicate the stock air flow or be rejetting and that's not easy or fun either or doing both. Unless you know what you are doing you can end up with it running better, but still too lean and a melted piton is a lot more expensive.

hate to disagree but i have to disagree. A elite is not a spree. The elites are really open as to what filters then run. i think an open filter and a jet would be cheaper and run better then finding a stock box. When i got my 92 elite i put an open UNI filter and it worked right away.

If you must get a new jet i would go to honda and buy a #78 or an #84 if they have them. IF you want to go the cheap way, take out the old jet, get a very small piece of metal, such as maybe a guitar string. and run it though the hole a few times. It will clean out the jet and widen up the hole some. You only need to make the hole a hair bigger, not to much bigger.

Kenny_McCormic · Post by **Kenny_McCormic** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:51 pm

Open the jet up like Dac said till it 4 strokes on and off on the stand. On the road it will run perfect.

new2elite · Post by **new2elite** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:55 am

what do you mean '4strokes on and off the stand'? and #78 or #84, why such the jump? also will i need a pilot jet, the pilot jet on these is behind the main jet, the tube like thing, right? also how often will i need to add oil to it?

Kenny_McCormic · Post by **Kenny_McCormic** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:32 am

When it goes NEEEEEEEE BOOOOOOGGGGGG NEEEEEE BOGGGG.

ALOW1 · Post by **ALOW1** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:21 pm

Kenny_McCormic wrote:When it goes NEEEEEEEE BOOOOOOGGGGGG NEEEEEE BOGGGG.

lol, right on Kenny

Dac · Post by **Dac** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:21 pm

new2elite wrote:what do you mean '4strokes on and off the stand'? and #78 or #84, why such the jump? also will i need a pilot jet, the pilot jet on these is behind the main jet, the tube like thing, right? also how often will i need to add oil to it?

i dont know if i would open it up till it 4 strokes on the the stand.

On an elite Sr the main jet is a 78 (to the best of my knowledge.) i don't believe honda will carry any bigger jets then that. But if they do then i would get a 84.

Your pilot jet is fine, no need to replace those. many people have ruined there carbs trying to get those out. Best to not even try.

And im not sure what you mean by adding oil?
The honda elite has an oil injector, as long as that's working you only need to add oil to the oil tank and thats ever 500 miles or so.

new2elite · Post by **new2elite** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:48 pm

still waiting on filter to come in, should be here maro im hoping. the jet wont be in till thursday at the soonest i think. i road it a lil tonight, man its a blast to ride. cannot wait to get it running good and eventually do a 72cc corsa kit. whats the best exhaust for bottom end but id still like it to do at least 65 max. i like the looks of the tecnigas type r but hows power output?

Dac · Post by **Dac** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:06 am

best pipe for stock? or best pipe for a 72cc?

veedubh20 · Post by **veedubh20** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:00 am

new2elite wrote:still waiting on filter to come in, should be here maro im hoping. the jet wont be in till thursday at the soonest i think. i road it a lil tonight, man its a blast to ride. cannot wait to get it running good and eventually do a 72cc corsa kit. whats the best exhaust for bottom end but id still like it to do at least 65 max. i like the looks of the tecnigas type r but hows power output?

the pipe is easy to tune is pg long

Dont buy tec r pipe! trash!

new2elite · Post by **new2elite** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:01 am

oh my bad- i meant best pipe for 72cc- itll be stock till then. also is corsa best 72cc kit? i heard polonni* was just as good and cheaper?

Dac · Post by **Dac** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:19 pm

just to clear some stuff up, "Corsa" is a bore kit from the brand "polini". They cost a ton but they have the best porting and the material used.

If your going to build a nice full setup, then i dont see anything wrong with polini. But if your only doing like a half * set up (ie:stock carb and stock pipe) You shouldn't waste your money on such a pricey bore.
But if you have cash and i want to get a 28mm carb and intake, polini corsa, Tail pipe of your choice, gears,pulley,jets,rollers,plugs. Then you could build up a nice 65mph bike.

There is no "Best" setup. Everyone does things differently. A PGlong pipe is common on the corsa. The PGLong is a larger pipe that is set up more for top end riding. But some people care more about take off then top end. There is no Best pipe. Same with gears, some say 8.44:1, others will say 7:1.

new2elite · Post by **new2elite** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:00 pm

isnt there a cheaper bore thats nearly the same as the corsa, just less known? i could've sworn ive read that somewhere around here. but parts seem to be cheap enough for me to do a full set up. im def doing the bore carb and exhaust. thats all stuff i can handle, what im worried about is getting into gears springs and rollers. never dealt with any auto trannys. what i'd like as far as performance is probably more toward take off torq instead of more top end as im prolly never going to ride it for transportation, just for fun around the house, and in town. id like it to be able to pull up wheelies easily, yet still do decent on top speed. idk maybe im asking too much for the best of both worlds, but topspeed is def a second choice compared to take off. what size carb would be recommended for the 72 kit? 28mm, witha manifold and reeds? as for exhaust, ill def be gettign a pg, i just dont know which style would be better for what im wanting. the rollers, clutch springs, and gears i have no idea on. info would be much appreciated. Oh, and i finally got the filter and jet today, the jet is an 82(honda shop couldnt get 84?) and its still getting a bit too much air. im going to tryn put some pantyhose or outerwears over it to cut flow down, any reccomendations? Thanks again!

new2elite · Post by **new2elite** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:05 pm

oh yeah, i also meant to tell you guys that i got some GN2, and drained the chainsaw crap. this oil is unbelivable, its unlike any twostroke oil ive ever seen. clean stuff! also gotta honda plug(still ngk made), which i found out the cycle shop i got my first plug from gave me a wayy diff looking style one. i think the oil and right plug helped out a bit, ive had it down to the 'm' on mph on downhill. what speed would that be around? also- interested in getting a tach for it, is there anything availiable?

Dac · Post by **Dac** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:04 pm

let me give you a run down on what parts do....

Bore kit- adds massive power. but does not affect your top end hardly at all.

Gears- most important part for these elites. Stock gears are around 12.4 to one. Meaning the clutch spins 12.4 before the tire spins once. Most people gear stock bikes to 9:1(9 to one). The gears in honda are always way to high.

Exhaust- basically a good upgrade. But make sure you get one that will work on your set up. A PGlong is a 90cc pipe. I have even seen people use them on stroker motors. I see people use them on 72cc corsa, but its more of a top end pipe, really bad for wheelies.

High speed pulley- a new front pulley that is bigger then stock. Its a good part, gives about as much performance as a pipe and only cost $50

Rollers/jets/springs- there all cheap and there tuning issues. Worry about the big items first.

Carb and intake- well, to put it in simple terms, it gives your bike more gas/air.

Ride the bike stock and find out what you want more of. Then base your set up off that. Dont just say you want a faster bike, find out what you want faster.
Ill give you an example, my buddys 98 elite Sr, he liked his take off but wanted more top end. So we put some 9:1 gears and a high speed pulley. His take off dropped slightly but his top end and mid range went up. He is now able to pull 50mph. Its just what he wanted and only costed him $105. But that set up is not for every one, other people want way higher speeds or way better take off. Its all in choice.
Research before you buy parts.

new2elite · Post by **new2elite** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:12 am

ive decided on mid-to-top end power. i wont be ordering any parts just yet, but i do plan to buy all that you mentioned, dac. Im thinking i'll probably get a malossi 72cc, isnt the performance near identical to the corsa only cheaper? I need to know where i can get my bore kit, and a rough price on malossi vs corsa. Also, what exhaust should i get, and $$- idk about PG long if its made for 90cc's,, i really like the way the tec type R pipe looks, but would def chose performance over looks. I dont care much for V8, it looks about like stock with a bigger header? Unless its a performance monster, id like to stay away from it. For gearing probably 7:1, but whats next size down(8.44:1 or is there something between)? For intake, I was thinking the oko 28mm, with a manifold and set of good reeds, is there any variety to reeds/manifolds, or is it basically all one kind? For the high speed pully, is it just one kind that everybody uses? what about clutch spring, whats the rpm on those mean? do rollers come in different sizes? Where are you guys getting youre 39(?)mm sockets for the clutch spring? Sorry for asking so much, but im really getting into the idea of making this thing a road king.