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beefy · Post by **beefy** » Sun May 17, 2009 5:50 pm

Speaking of elite es does any one know if this kit will fit on one thanks.

tazland001 · Post by **tazland001** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:06 am

this kit will fit on the elite e also. I looked for a variator off one of my honda pals and it did not work on the spree. There are two engines on pal one with a longer crank shaft. That is the one with the variator. The other pal has the same single peice like the spree. Too bad

toboggan · Post by **toboggan** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:16 am

Would it be possible to try and machine a new variator?

Post by **noiseguy** » Mon May 18, 2009 12:24 pm

toboggan wrote:Would it be possible to try and machine a new variator?

I'm not sure there's enough room to make one fit.

What's the smallest off-the-shelf variator out there? I've heard the Express had a small one.

Clivester · Post by **Clivester** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:48 pm

tazland001 wrote:this kit will fit on the elite e also. I looked for a variator off one of my honda pals and it did not work on the spree. There are two engines on pal one with a longer crank shaft. That is the one with the variator. The other pal has the same single peice like the spree. Too bad

Marc:

Do you know if the crankshaft is the only difference between the 2 Pal motors?

Clive.

beefy · Post by **beefy** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:25 pm

I was wondering the same thing if I could swap my elite e crank shaft for a Canadian pals and have a variator that would be sweet.

tazland001 · Post by **tazland001** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:22 am

Like I said one of the pals(AF12 is model number not engine number)) has a extra wide kick starter cover and a longer crankshaft(on variator side) so that honda could use a variator with rollers in it, but everthing else is identical to the the elite e. Now the the other pal engine is identical to the elite e engine. I have a pal but it is the has the shorter crank shaft. That sux. Now the pal engine will easily fit on the spree. the motor is just a touch longer, but that is the only difference.

And yes you can use a pal crankshaft in a spree no problem at all. As long as it is the short one.

Post by **noiseguy** » Tue May 19, 2009 9:35 am

Clivester wrote: Marc:

Do you know if the crankshaft is the only difference between the 2 Pal motors?

Clive.

I know what you're thinking; keep in mind you'll need to run down a sidecover, parts of the starting assembly, and then need to modify the clutch to accept the whole thing. Most of these would be hard-to-find Pal parts. KeithW went down this path briefly and concluded, like most of us, that it's just easier to swap in a more commonly available Elite engine.

tazland001 · Post by **tazland001** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:25 am

I am sending two spree engines to two of my parts makers this week. I will see if they can find a variator that will work on the spree. Don't get to excited because there is hardly any room for a variator. I am also trying to get some 44mm aero 50 kits in. Does anyone make a 47mm for the aero 50? What is the biggest bore kit for the aero 50?

Post by **noiseguy** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:05 pm

Biggest bore kit is 65cc, so whatever that works out to with the factory stroke. Spree should be able to accept the same size (65cc) with case porting to match the cylinder.

Variator will be very limited throw: something like 0.1", which is all the the factory starter ring will take given the factory pulley bevel. This is based on my measurement of the maximum amount that can be removed from the larger steel '87 inner pulley. This inner pulley pretty much uses up all the packaging space; a variator would have to be around the same size. It would still be better than what is on there currently. Keep in mind you'll also need to come up with a new rear main clutch spring.

scooterwerx · Post by **scooterwerx** » Thu May 21, 2009 1:37 am

both the polini and malossi cylinders for the aero 50 are 47mm, i have a overbore piston on the way from europe that is 47.8mm, the standard one is 47.0, i have verified it with mitutoyo digimatics.

DandyDan · Post by **DandyDan** » Thu May 21, 2009 2:14 am

My understanding is that variators are only about 80% efficient at power transfer, so despite the improvement in acceleration it might be better to stick with a single speed setup if you really want to get to high cruising speeds.

tazland001 · Post by **tazland001** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:30 pm

yah there's not much room for a variater. As to the cylinder, there should be no reason not to get a 47mm for this casted. As stated prior the cylinder will be bigger and there might be some serious shroud fabrication. well c.

xsh0rty · Post by **xsh0rty** » Thu May 28, 2009 3:33 am

hey marc, i jus got one of your bore kits through ebay, i was wondering what jet i should get for my carb. its for an 85 spree, doono if that makes a difference. thanks

turtle13 · Post by **turtle13** » Thu May 28, 2009 9:36 pm

any word on the aero kits? I would really like the displacement of a polini, but not the price...

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