Free 86 nq50 wrote:i also so forgot to say if you put your fingers in front of the carb and give it gas at the same time it will run but as soon as you move your fingers it will die not sure if this helps.
not to butt in, but my se50p w/o air filter will only rev high with the fingers method for a few seconds, and then bog out. but it does idle okay.. (just won't rev)
the scooter does not have a air cleaner yet we want to get it running before we put a lot of money into it, and this isnt the first old honda carb i have cleaned and there isnt a whole lot to it so what could i be missing.
Free 86 nq50 wrote:the scooter does not have a air cleaner yet we want to get it running before we put a lot of money into it, and this isnt the first old honda carb i have cleaned and there isnt a whole lot to it so what could i be missing.
A Spree motor will not want to start without the complete air box, filter and box top in place. So without them getting the scooter running is iffy at best. If you consider $5 a lot of money to get something running, you might as well give up now. The 110 is probably OK since you tested cold. Did you oil the cylinder then retest?
FYI, a free anything is never free in the end. A "free scooter" is like a "free puppy", it is gonna cost you, one way or another.
Bear 45/70
'83 Aero 80 X 3
'84 Aero 80 X 3 '85 Aero 80 '84 Aero 125 X 2
'84 Aero 125 '84 Aero 125 X 2 '85 Aero 50
'85 Spree
it did not come with a a inlet tube air filter or the top lid so it would cost over $40 dollars and we do not want to invest a lot of money into this thing yet inless we know for sure it will run.and we know that it will not run great with out the air cleaner stuff but it should at least stay running right. it will start right up but will die after like 10 secs. were is the pilot jet, pics would work best if you have them and what should be done to clean it better.
Free 86 nq50 wrote:it did not come with a a inlet tube air filter or the top lid so it would cost over $40 dollars and we do not want to invest a lot of money into this thing yet inless we know for sure it will run.and we know that it will not run great with out the air cleaner stuff but it should at least stay running right. it will start right up but will die after like 10 secs. were is the pilot jet, pics would work best if you have them and what should be done to clean it better.
You need to go to the Tech Documents section and down load the Service Manual. There are pictures and instructions there. The motor may well not stay running eithout the airbox, at least mine won't. It is just too lean. Mine will start and run with the airbox and lid but no filter, but no airbox and snorkle, it just won't stay running.
Bear 45/70
'83 Aero 80 X 3
'84 Aero 80 X 3 '85 Aero 80 '84 Aero 125 X 2
'84 Aero 125 '84 Aero 125 X 2 '85 Aero 50
'85 Spree
it did not come with a a inlet tube air filter or the top lid so it would cost over $40 dollars
I'll bet someone here can come up with the needed parts for a fraction of that $40 bill. Mine was cherry and I'm pretty sure I only got $39.50
Werx and Noisy, among others? Who's got an airbox for the Noob?
Find pics of the pilot jet pin-* (all but invisibly small) in the Tech sections.
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Nope, I actually just had to buy a top lid from mccain for a bike I'm finishing up.
Spree won't easily start (without covering the inlet, which just pulls a bunch of gas up through the main jet), idle well, or run down the street without an airbox. You'll need to run down the parts. I would suggest going the used route. And no, pod filters won't work either.
Sounds like you got your free bike to run and pop, and it has good compression. I do exactly the same thing when I do scooter triage, making sure that the bike can be made to run b/f I dump a bunch of money and time into it. You're almost there now; time to spend some money so it will actually be usable. All the stuff you need used shouldn't run over $50.
Bradthreee has a complete air box for sale, methinkgs.
Yeah, anymore I shortcut a lot of stuff, since I'm typically working on Honda scooters. I'll test compression by turning over by hand; you can feel good compression vs. little or no. I then clean the carb out, and try to fire it up with good gas and good air filter. If it idles I check the oil pump at that point, then clean out the mystery oil and replace with GN2, reverifying oil pump. I rarely see spark issues on these, though sometimes plugs themselves are bad or the plug wire is loose. If it runs I road test it to see if it stumbles / runs lean or rich. If so, pull apart carb and address as needed. Then fix all the cosmetic / electrical issues.
I find that I get the carb cleaned the 1st time only about 50% of the time, at best, and I know these carbs really well. Dip tanking them seems to have improved my first-time sucesses, though, and I've started dipping all of them once I have them apart. Then I spray them out and ensure the jets are all open.
noiseguy wrote:I find that I get the carb cleaned the 1st time only about 50% of the time, at best, and I know these carbs really well.
Noiseguy, with your experience, I would expect better than 50%.
My first challenge almost beat me into the ground. But by the time I had R&R'ed the carb a dozen times and wore out the threads (literally), I learned my lesson well. My carb success is very high.
Now if I could just conquer stripping and painting. On second thought, rebuilding the front mounting tabs on the side panels will be the real challenge. Make me want to just go ahead and rat it out like I originally intended.
What's really odd is that, since I have a procedure that I go through, nothing really changes between cleanings. It's not that I'm missing things, just something isn't right in the carb and the next go-through is catching it.
noiseguy wrote:What's really odd is that, since I have a procedure that I go through, nothing really changes between cleanings. It's not that I'm missing things, just something isn't right in the carb and the next go-through is catching it.
Yeah! I had a newbie teach me about the hole to the bottom of the bystarter. I didn't let him know though. But you know what scripture sez, "Pride goes before the fall".
not to butt in, but my se50p w/o air filter will only rev high with the fingers method for a few seconds, and then bog out. but it does idle okay.. (just won't rev)
