99 elite sr problems

[nwaman22250]

well i bought at 99 elite sr today for 25.00 when trying to use the kickstart some times the motor will turn over other times the kickstart will not move like its locked up. i dont know if the motor is lock or what hoping to open it up tonight and am praying its a broke ring or something like that has anyone ever had this problem going to get a battery to try the electric start

[mookie]

dude- 25 dollars. c'mon... fix it.

[nwaman22250]

i am going to fix it just wanting some imput on the cause where it could be something wronge with the kickstart gears or something blocking the piston this is my first scooter and am learning as i go

[JONESER]

Get a battery and see how it runs with the electric start. Ive had my case off before to change some parts. When I put the case on I didnt have the kick start gears lined up and it wouldnt kick start. I had to take it off again and make sure everything was lined up before I tightened it back up. Now, everytime before I tighten the bolts, I check the kicker with my hand to make sure the gears are lined up.
And......
$25!!!!!!! HOLY s*** DUDE! What a deal!

[Wheelman-111]

Greetings:

Congratulations and welcome to the Forum.

Can you provide more information about that '99? When did it last run?

As suggested previously, the issue could be in the kickstarter mechanism or inside the engine. It's a simple machine. Only 3 "big" moving parts... All of them are affordable to replace and/or upgrade.

[nwaman22250]

dont really know to many details about it the lasy i bought it from said that one day it just quit running and has been sitting 6-8 months that was all that she could tell me about it i think i will get a battery and see if the electric start to turn the motor over

[JONESER]

It prob. just needs a battery

[nwaman22250]

well i tryed the elertic start and still would only turn it over 1 time then it would not turn over so i took the motor off and when i removed the spark plug it turns just fine and the kickstart works there is a lot of oil in the cylinder on top of the piston what could have caused the oil to get into the cylinder and how should i get it out

[nwaman22250]

should there be 2 stroke oil coming out of the carb i mean there is a lot i thought it came from the oil injection pump someone please correct me if i am wronge

[Wheelman-111]

Greetings:

The condition you encountered is known as hydrolocking. Gas (I mean air, not gasoline...) compresses. Fluid does not. If the crankcase and cylinder are filled with fluid, the engine cannot turn over. The source is likely to be a leaking oil pump seal. Drop by drop, gravity fed the oil from the oil tank through the pump, into the carb or manifold, and over the eons filled up the crankcase. I have seen this once before, though not to the same extent.

Remove the spark plug and turn the engine over if you're prepared for a mess. Better would be to remove and invert the engine and allow the oil to run out into a container over a few hours. Address (likely replace) the leaking pump, and reassemble. You'll probably need to clean the carb, judging by the quantity of oil accumulated. That probably took a while, and the carb is likely full of Amber in that time span.

[mookie]

to add a finer point to Wheelmans excellent prognosis-
you'll need to do one of two things- remove the cylinder or get the piston on TDC-
all the way up so as to expose the port or ports in the cylinder allowing the trapped fluids to find the atmosphere.

while you have the engine out and the head off i suggest that you go ahead and pull the cylinder off for inspection.
IF you do be careful removing the head gasket it will be reuseable,just don't kink it. the base gasket you might get lucky with as well.maybe.
-that is IF you feel like you can get it back on correctly as i do not know what your mechanical aptitude level is.but it probably ought to be done.

[nwaman22250]

i am going to clean the card tonight also can i just take the shaft out of the oil pump and run premix also where would be a good place to irder a new oil pump online

[Wheelman-111]

Greetings:

Oil pumps pop up on the Forum frequently. Put a WTB ad in that section. There's always eBay.

New from Honda (Part Number 15100-GZ5-015) is around $C-Note.

Pump shaft removal unknown. It may introduce a vent to atmosphere. Some grind off the teeth and cap the barbs. (sounds like a bad scene from a Quentin Tarantino movie, doesn't it? ). The Correct Scooter Etiquette Book states that the purchase of a model-specific case-stuffer plug is de rigeur.

Nobody here has any strong opinions regarding Premix Ratio...

[Bear45-70]

Removing the shaft from the pump cause some issues. The first has already been mentioned. The second is that you are increasing the crankcase capacity which lowers the crankcase compression ratio, which in turn lowers the cylinders compression, which hurts engine performance. A better cure is to buy a plug to replace the pump.

Here's a good explanation of hydrolocking with some excellent pictures of what can happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolock