Honda Spree and Elite 50 Forums

Mystic wrote:I imagine his problem with stock speed originates with the drive train, if he replaces all of it with new parts the only problem will be if he doesnt install the parts right, this way basically removes any doubt as to whether the old stock parts function properly O.o Motley crue, if you order these parts you have to remove everything under the kickstart cover. the drive face and the driven face, just the 2 shafts sitting there naked then remove the transmission cover to switch the final gears you have to have the old one pressed off at a machine shop and hte new one pressed, I am pretty sure you wont be able to do that unless you have a 20 ton hydralic press, on reassemble you may need a transmission gasket if you do change the gears you might get by with the new variator, ramp plate,rollers and belt but if you are going to have all that stuff off why not change the gears, you can get them for about 25 dollars.

I hear all that. I think the first thing I am going to do is order the new muffler. swimming has been going nuts with his posts telling me to toast or chemically clean the muffler, but some people are too busy to get right on things like that. (I don't have the time or place to be starting bon fires my friend.) There are certain parts which I believe you weigh the pros and cons of either replacing or attempting to fix. In this case, the muffler is so old and beaten up that I feel a cleaning would not be worth my time and energy. The benefits of a new muffler seem to outweigh all the positives from cleaning this old beaten thing.

That would next leave me with the drive train. I agree with you Mystic, based on everything I have read, the drive train seems to be the most likely culprit outside of the muffler. When I have time I will deal with the muffler first, and see what happens. Then I will deal with the drive train.

scooter assassins sells a relatively cheap aftermarket fully unrestricted muffler for around 100 dollars free shipping, also you can check your local salvage for a a kymco zx exhaust like i got or maybe even a SYM dd50 exhaust will work the reason i say get it all at once is because the shipping is crazy unless you have the extra money to waste

you can get a new oem muffler restricted or not for about a $100. at the honda dealer. exact fit no struggles.

swimming has been going nuts with his posts telling me
to toast or chemically clean the muffler, but some people
are too busy to get right on things
and other people keep * about not going fast enuff
and don't do a thing to fix it but * and cry .. if you
spend half the time fixing that thing as you do * and crying
it wood be done by the way they make big bore kits and a stroker and
a tune pipe as well for that as well with that 60 should not be a thing at all
but you aren't smart anuff to do it and you cant lison either because you are
a Software Engineer,
so when you f this up please put the parts on here so we can by them cheep
swimmingfree

swimmingfree wrote: and other people keep * about not going fast enuff
and don't do a thing to fix it but * and cry .. if you
spend half the time fixing that thing as you do * and crying
it wood be done by the way they make big bore kits and a stroker and
a tune pipe as well for that as well with that 60 should not be a thing at all
but you aren't smart anuff to do it and you cant lison either because you are
a Software Engineer, so when you f this up please put the parts on here so we can by them cheep
swimmingfree

lol I guess some people just can't take the daily grind these days. Apparently I am supposed to morph into an expert small engine and scooter repairman overnight. I run a photography company, and I work full time as a "software engineer", as you put it, and I also have drywalling, painting, and plumbing to do in my house, so I don't have time to start freaking bonfires on your command. Some people, like software engineers, have money and don't need to start bonfires to salvage an old rusty muffler, bud. We actually have money and can replace things. I am on this board for help because I don't have time to learn every aspect of small engine repair through a manual. This is my first foray into this venture, and anybody in my position SHOULD be asking for help, and you are an a**hole swimming.

I will continue writing software, and you continue flipping burgers, k? And when I get up to speed on the ins and outs of scooters through trial and error and LEARNING and I become the big time scooter honcho that swimming is, I will go on hondaspree.net and flex my scooter muscles like you, because you are so cool dude! Here's some advice swimming.... clean up mom's basement where you live, and go for that big promotion at Burger King next time you ride your scoot to work. You have been thrown on my ignore list bud.

By the way, I think that was the first time I've seen someone spell "listen" as "lison". I was dealing with the intelligence of a 5-year old here, for real. Wow.

Motley Crue nice name???
boy it must be ruff having all those job?
you no if you were better at one you wood not need so minnie jobs ..
as for salvage how Minny time did i say get rid of the old gas and your answer was can i just
put in some stable in it?? ( speaking of stable did you take your meds ? )
most people wood not think twice on that but you took a lot of time to do it did you not have a niff money..
don't no what gas cast their but less then 4. dollar per gallon is not munch .. and as for your old rusty muffler is the new one on it way?? if so you never said it till now..( just read your post )
seance you have so munch money and so little time to work on it take it to a Honda dealer your never get it fix.. if you cant work a match you cant fix it!
swimmingfree
hay if you have a few read this hole thread and if you wood of been done long time a go if people did not have to tell you 10 it to get ride of the old gas and lot of other thing !! but you no it all !!

dun rite wrote:you can get a new oem muffler restricted or not for about a $100. at the honda dealer. exact fit no struggles.

dun rite I am seeing these for about $80-$85 (before shipping), but I am thinking an aftermarket unrestricted muffler would be my best option. What do you think? Are they a lot louder than the OEM muffler, and is the performance increase noticeable?

Ok I didn't get a chance to do a compression test over the weekend. I was busy doing shower plumbing. My first time doing that and I did an awesome job. Anyone want to see pics of my shower plumbing? I installed a new $250 Delta shower and it is awesome.

Regarding the scooter, this is going to stem off of my other thread regarding the scooter only going about 20mph. I think I am just going to buy a new muffler. The one I have displays the symptoms mentioned on the wiki page for cleaning a bad muffler. It makes that "fffft ffff" or zipping sound. It has thick black deposits on the rim of the exit hole at the back of it. It just looks like it needs to go. There is a decent-sized rusty hole on the muffler pipe right before it enters the muffler.

In all likelihood the muffler is a major cause for my slow top speed. I am wondering if it is a throttle cable issue, however. Is there a way to test this while riding the scooter? In other words, can I give it full throttle while riding, and then use my other hand to pull the throttle cable near the carburetor in order to see if the throttle grip is not giving maximum fuel flow to the carb?

Also guys, check out this page. Looks really good. Maybe I can do these mods to increase my top speed. Check it out!!! http://www.scootertherapy.com/Eliteclutchpage.html


you get on eBay for a carb what they wont let you buy a muffler or you don't have the money????????? by the way here's the date and time of your post Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:36 pm

dun rite wrote:you can get a new oem muffler restricted or not for about a $100. at the honda dealer. exact fit no struggles.

hey dun rite what do you think of this muffler here? ... http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-SA50-Passola ... 3cb94845ed

hey dun rite what do you think of this muffler here? ... http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-SA50-Passola ... 3cb94845ed

so how fond the s--- carb you were going to by????????????
because you cant clean it ????????
or put it on ! well with out asking were do these hoses go??? or what is this thing??????

that muffler will not fit, that is for a yamaha passola, it and the elite just both happen to be sa50. the only way that muffler will fit is if you cut the header off and then weld the header from the old elite pipe onto it this is the one you want right here http://www.exportstrength.com/product_i ... cts_id=677

Mystic wrote:that muffler will not fit, that is for a yamaha passola, it and the elite just both happen to be sa50. the only way that muffler will fit is if you cut the header off and then weld the header from the old elite pipe onto it this is the one you want right here http://www.exportstrength.com/product_i ... cts_id=677

make sure you tell him how the nuts work you the right and left thing ..
bet he don't by it

Mystic wrote:that muffler will not fit, that is for a yamaha passola, it and the elite just both happen to be sa50. the only way that muffler will fit is if you cut the header off and then weld the header from the old elite pipe onto it this is the one you want right here http://www.exportstrength.com/product_i ... cts_id=677

Perfect, thank you!

Mystic and dun rite, does this seem accurate to you? ...

There are two versions of the '94-'01 Elite 50:

Elite SR (SA50) - unrestricted and will do about 35mph.
Elite S (SA50P) - restricted to do only 25mph. There is a restrictor on the variator, a smaller mainjet in the carb vs. the SR, and a washer welded into the exhaust right where it bolts up to the head. All three things are pretty easy to switch out provided you're a little mechanically inclined. The restrictor on the variator is held on with a few tiny bolts, the washer can be drilled out with a step bit or ground out with a dremel, and the main jet is available from Honda.

If that is true, then that means I am not far off from 25mph if I am doing a bit over 20mph. Is the SA50P restricted to only 25mph out of the factory? Today after work I am going to remove the restrictor on the variator, and I am going to order a new main jet and the aftermarket unrestricted exhaust that mystic mentioned.

Mystic you mentioned getting a #82 or #84 main jet. Which do you think I should go with? Are there negatives to either, as well as positives?