Honda Spree and Elite 50 Forums

Chicago Ben wrote:wheelman- your original recommendation to me, along the lines of 'start no lower than 150-155 main' , for a starting point one would just go down from there correct?

No one like to recommend too small of a main jet.

Wheelman always suggests rich jetting and leaves it up to the owner to down jet from there.

Greetings:

TrafficJamz is onto me!
Yes, I probably did recommend stupid-big, perhaps misapprehending that you were running a 28, or maybe chickening out because of the 86cc sucking through a 26. Furthermore, I have low confidence in any of the Tai bores tolerating lean jetting due to bitter personal experience.

My Corsa's running a 125 now, but with only 72cc, even wailing at 10.5K RPM, I can probably get away with a smaller jet than you can. Proceed with caution as you get down to 135, and of course, a vacuum leak ANYwhere will increase the risk of Doom. Make sure that pipe seals properly and check often for telltale oil seepage.

oh you guys are just so smart

Today I got home from work, watched 2 episodes of pawn stars on the history channel, got off my * and threw that 140 main jet in there.

WORLD OF A DIFFERENCE

I can go over half throttle now to maybe 3/4!

No clue how fast I'm going, probably did about 45 today. I spiked to 358 degrees F today but I'm pretty sure I floated right around 330 F most of the time after I was riding for a bit

I went over 3/4 to near WOT one time and it died. Kick started right back up.... (I know I know, not WOT until fully broken in)

Not sure where to go from here because I know I'm so close to being perfect. Do I screw with my needle clip position or play with fire and jet down to 135....

I appreciate your guys input thus far!

Dude....you need to post some pics of that bad itch complete!

Good luck with your tuning

When does it hit the higher temps?

Does it spike when you let off the throttle?

If so maybe up the pilot a bit.

Don't jump five sizes on the jet when you are tuning unless it is WAY off.

Small changes now

maybe try a 138 next, but keep a close eye on the temps.

400 degrees is the danger zone for a new bore

If you have a compression gauge you should recheck it now that the base gaskets may have squished a bit.

I have a compression gauge ill get a reading tonight after work
You need any large jets?
My current needs are new plug cap and small jets range

The bike has a slightly hard time coming off throttle to a full stop, sounds like its about to die but then doesn't...

Chicago Ben wrote:I have a compression gauge ill get a reading tonight after work
You need any large jets?
My current needs are new plug cap and small jets range

The bike has a slightly hard time coming off throttle to a full stop, sounds like its about to die but then doesn't...

What size is the pilot jet now?

Greetings:

I scrolled up. In our Last Episode, Ben had a 50 Pilot. That should be enough for a 26, but Jamz is right about watching the gauge when you chop throttle. It should stay the same or go down. If it goes up, even a little, you should seriously consider a 52-55 Pilot. That increased flow from the Pilot circuit in turn allows you to run a smaller Main. Despite what you've heard, the Pilot continues to contribute its share even to WOT.

I'm still concerned about any temps over 350 on a Ruima bore. I wouldn't assemble one to run on the street with compression higher than 125. Experience...
...is the best teacher. Learn from others' experience. It's cheaper.

alrighty guys checking back in for anyone who is curious to know where I am at

Jets from autotech on ebay came in today, just got back from my last run of the night with a 128 main jet

Runs great. Spiked at 335 F.

I think I'm going to go down to 125 or 120 though.

I do have an issue right now however. It is like whenever I go over a speedbump or any kind of road pitch change the bike almost dies out. I feel like I need to up my pilot to a 55 (I'm at a 50 pilot now)

Not real sure.

In other news, procured a used met wheel from our friends over at totalruckus.com , so I will be getting that powder coated as soon as it comes in and slap the pirelli meat on shortly after that.

Greetings:

Benny got his Jets. Quoth he:

It is like whenever I go over a speedbump or any kind of road pitch change the bike almost dies out.

That sounds almost exactly like a loose carb. Read it again and think.

my spree is doing the same thing, i thought it was the float and float valve but i was thinking last night that it could be the coil plus you said something about a new spark cap, double check that part too. I am going to swap coils out today with another one and see where that leaves me.

Wheelman-111 wrote:Greetings:

Benny got his Jets. Quoth he:

It is like whenever I go over a speedbump or any kind of road pitch change the bike almost dies out.

That sounds almost exactly like a loose carb. Read it again and think.

I honestly highly highly doubt that only because I have these hose clamps tightened to the moon in fear of that carb ever falling off. I use a 5/16 socket to tighten those even...

I feel like my idle mix is off maybe

Mystic wrote:my spree is doing the same thing, i thought it was the float and float valve but i was thinking last night that it could be the coil plus you said something about a new spark cap, double check that part too. I am going to swap coils out today with another one and see where that leaves me.

I was thinking that could be it... because I do experience this when I hit bumpy areas as well...

dont know for sure about your problem but i changed out coil cdi and bystarter and muffler still the same thing when i hit bumps. if you figure it out let me know so I can try what you did, I dont have an exhaust gasket so i cut one for the elite to fit and it did seem to work better except really hard bumps so maybe an exhaust leak??

Adjusted my idle mix + installed a generic NGK 90 degree spark cap seems to be good now

Still need to jet down from 128, I think 125 or... 120 even might do it


other news: installed a new battery. electric start works great. boom!