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you shood replace the gas hose , vack hose and oil line as well there old and don,t last for ever ...
you may want to put a in line filter in it as well it will help you keep the carb clean after you clean it .. i use a clear tipe so i no if there is gas going throw it ..
swimmingfree

I got the starter fixed today, pulled it appart and found the brushes siezed up and melted in a bit. I was able to crank out the stator and then used a razor blade to cut loose the brushes from the slightly melted plastic. Pulled the brushes and sanded off the ridges, smoothed the slots the brushes fit into until they could slide freely. The stator also had all sorts of metal from the brushes melted into it, I used the razor blade to cut loose the majority or the debres and also clean out the slots between the contact terminals so they are electrically isolated like they should be. I used some fine sandpaper to do a final smoothing of the surface. I put it all back together and tapped it accross a car battery and she spun like crazy, so I think she is fixed. I am really happy about that, cause these little starters are EXPENSIVE!

Doing research on fixing this starter I came across a link to a place where you can actually buy new brushes for these starter motors, luckily I didnt need them (yet) just to get mine going, maybe in the future it will need a rebuild... Here is a link to the place...

http://www.jackssmallengines.com/rebuil ... tarter.cfm

I put the started back on the motor but since I pulled the motor off the bike I can't test it right away. I am gonna go to the auto parts store and get some supplies to clean this engine up a bit before I put it back on the bike. Gonna pull off and clean the carb before I put it back on also.

Couple parts I need to buy are:

Foam Air Filter - Wondering what a I should use to replace this?
Vacume line to the fuel valve - Is this a standard size vacume line like in a car?

take the old hose with with you ..
you can rent a compression tester at the parts store auto zone and other and just use jumper cable to roll the motor over to test it but put the cover back on first.it will jump some so hole on to the motor.
swimmingfree

o i forget you need carb cleaner as well some will say get the dip other will say spray i wont say what to get both have there good side
swimmingfree

swimmingfree wrote:take the old hose with with you ..
you can rent a compression tester at the parts store auto zone and other and just use jumper cable to roll the motor over to test it but put the cover back on first.it will jump some so hole on to the motor.
swimmingfree

I figured since I have the starter working now I might as well finish cleaning the motor, reasmeble the kick start and install the crankcase cover then throw the motor back on the bike. (since it truely is very simple, even though it seems it would not be)
Once the motor is back on I was gonna reconnect the electical connections, the cables and vacume line and crank over the motor with the spark plug out, leaving the gas line off so I can bleed out this little bit of 10 year old fuel in the tank. Maybe pulling the tank off it easier than it looks (like pulling the motor was), but I am more interested in putting back together right now than pulling apart further. Once the old fuel is cleared out I will reconnect the fuel line and install the spark plug and am gonna see if she will fire up.
I figure I might as well just give her a try, cause I never have been able to turn her over since both starting mechanisms had failed. If she wont start then I will get ahold of a compression meter and check out whats going on at that time. Listening to the motor rotate it sounds smooth to me, sounds like the rings are intact and creating suction so I am guess when she gets pumping up and down there is gonna be compression. Crossing my fingers....

Also,
I have here a new NGK BP6HSA spark plug for my other bike, it has almost the same number as the recomended plug for the SE50P (BPR6HSA), the only difference is the "R" which designates a Resistor plug. I looked at the specs on NGK website, they were all the same except the resistor part. Do you guys think this non-resistor plug will work ok in the Honda?

you need 90 psi to run a 2 cycle motor you my have it but the gas that was in the carb has left junk behind in the carb and it may not run because of it and you have to take it off to clean it .. so you will be on you nee to do so im to old to do it
swimmingfree

nightcruiser wrote:Maybe pulling the tank off it easier than it looks (like pulling the motor was), but I am more interested in putting back together right now than pulling apart further.

You tore the starter apart and fixed it but don't want to pull the gas tank?

evilone wrote:

nightcruiser wrote:Maybe pulling the tank off it easier than it looks (like pulling the motor was), but I am more interested in putting back together right now than pulling apart further.

You tore the starter apart and fixed it but don't want to pull the gas tank?

Yah, thats right. I still have to finish cleaning the motor, pull the carb and clean it, at that point I am gonna want to bolt that baby back on and give her a try! Pulling the gas tank is the last thing I want to do... Fixing the starter was required, fun and interesting, pulling the gas tank not so much! I guess if gas doesnt come out the hose after I got the motor back on and turning over then I will look at pulling the tank, cause it would seem to be required at that point...
Right now I am gonna take advantage of the warm day we having going here and gonna go take a ride on my motorized mountian bike for a while. Will get to the autoparts store tonight before they close and probably work on the Honda a bit more later in the evening....

the old gas need to go its full of stuff that will mess you up.. its the one thing people never want to get rid of and the one thing you need to .. you bike may run if you get rid of all the old gas and just put in new with out clean the carb but if you clean the carb and try with the old gas it will not run

evilone
yes it take guts ..but he mite of said it was junk and he cant mess it up???
he doing well and haven fun..
swimmingfree

swimmingfree wrote:the old gas need to go its full of stuff that will mess you up.. its the one thing people never want to get rid of and the one thing you need to .. you bike may run if you get rid of all the old gas and just put in new with out clean the carb but if you clean the carb and try with the old gas it will not run

evilone
yes it take guts ..but he mite of said it was junk and he cant mess it up???
he doing well and haven fun..
swimmingfree

The carb is coming apart and getting cleaned, no doubt. The old fuel will get out of there one way or another. I will fire her up with fresh fuel, new plug and a clean carb, pretty good starting point I think...

your are doing grate we have people on here 3 days firing over them getting rid of the old gas and cant figer why it wont run ??? then thay dump the old gas reclean the carb and it run..

are you cleaning the carb now??

nightcruiser wrote:Pulling the gas tank is the last thing I want to do... Fixing the starter was required, fun and interesting, pulling the gas tank not so much! I guess if gas doesnt come out the hose after I got the motor back on and turning over then I will look at pulling the tank, cause it would seem to be required at that point...

All right then, Just be aware that turning the motor over long enough to get the gas out might cause damage to your cylinder.
Make sure you keep adding small amount of oil through spark plug hole for lubrication.....hopefully it's close to empty.

Good luck!

evilone wrote:

nightcruiser wrote:Pulling the gas tank is the last thing I want to do... Fixing the starter was required, fun and interesting, pulling the gas tank not so much! I guess if gas doesnt come out the hose after I got the motor back on and turning over then I will look at pulling the tank, cause it would seem to be required at that point...

All right then, Just be aware that turning the motor over long enough to get the gas out might cause damage to your cylinder.
Make sure you keep adding small amount of oil through spark plug hole for lubrication.....hopefully it's close to empty.

Good luck!

Even if I turn it over with the plug out and no compression? Will there still be enough vacume to get the fuel flowing with the plug out? I think so, but don't know much about 2-strokes and scooters, if it doesnt flow out fast I will stop and pull the tank I guess... I could see the gas in there but the level didnt seem high...

thing you shod do

mix about 2 0z of oil in the gas tank ..when you change the oil line you wont have oil in the motor ..not good bad big bad get it ..

you have two line to the petcock vac and gas put them both on it first .. then get a small glass put the one that the gas come out in the glass and suck on the other one gas shooed come out of the other one..
when you stop sucking on it the gas shod stop .. don't put the gas back in the tank it may have naste in it ..

if all well put the gas hose on first then suck on the other it shod fill the carb and make it ezer to start..
good luck
swimmingfree