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Greetings:

Thanks, Jamz! So who sells the Sectionals? Any performance comparisons?

It is hard to say

Fastplastic's 72cc contesta has 9.1:1 gears and the sectional pipe and it is on a spree frame.
So yeah....I has tons of low end power.

Red Spree's 72cc Corsa has 8.4:1 gears and the pg long pipe.

So his top speed is much faster.

Greetings:

One more time:

Who sells the Sectionals?

Fastplastic bought it used. I have no idea where to buy one new.

Trafficjamz wrote:It is hard to say

Fastplastic's 72cc contesta has 9.1:1 gears and the sectional pipe and it is on a spree frame.
So yeah....I has tons of low end power.

Red Spree's 72cc Corsa has 8.4:1 gears and the pg long pipe.

So his top speed is much faster.

But mines cooler

No BS. It is possible that his speedometer is off but I was riding with him on my Pal. Yes the wind was at our backs but it was flat ground. My speedometer read about 62 kph which is close to 39 mph.

It's possible both of our speedometers are off but I've checked mine with one of those roadside radars as well as with a car following me and it's been on every time. I don't know why I haven't thought to check it with GPS...I have an iPhone that has free apps with this function. Carnie...i'ts not totally accurate that your scooter is completely stock. It has a 2.75 x 10 tire on the back which will give you a little more torque. Stock is a 2.50 x 10.

NESticle wrote:My speedometer read about 62 kph which is close to 39 mph.

use a gps.....

NESticle wrote:No BS. It is possible that his speedometer is off but I was riding with him on my Pal. Yes the wind was at our backs but it was flat ground. My speedometer read about 62 kph which is close to 39 mph.

It's possible both of our speedometers are off but I've checked mine with one of those roadside radars as well as with a car following me and it's been on every time. I don't know why I haven't thought to check it with GPS...I have an iPhone that has free apps with this function. Carnie...i'ts not totally accurate that your scooter is completely stock. It has a 2.75 x 10 tire on the back which will give you a little more torque. Stock is a 2.50 x 10.

The tire thing is not gonna get it. My stock engined 1985 Spree with the 2.50 X 10 tires went 30 mph speedometer/GPS 27.9 mph. With 2.75 X 10 tires went 30 mph speedometer/ GPS 28.4 mph. So the d*** tires are not gonna account for a 30% increase in top speed, which by the way would require at least 3 times the horsepower and there is no way the weather or wind made that happen.

I just got back from a GPS test run. My speedometer is indeed off. I didn't go out and find a really long road to get full acceleration, but it was flat. I wasn't out to find my max speed, but to check my speedometer. My fastest speed according to my speedometer was 58 kph which the GPS said was 55. That is a difference of a little less than 2 mph (36.04 compared to 34.18).

When I was riding with Carnie he matched my speed exactly. My speedometer said 63 kph which is 39.15 mph. If that was off by 2 mph that still leaves both of us scooting at 37 mph! Not bad for (practically) stock.

Call BS if you want (I already see Bear's BS flag lol) but it would be nice to get the benefit of the doubt here. I know Carnie. He didn't make this post to rub his experience in anyone's face...he just wanted to make his experience better by sharing it with the best scooter community on the net!

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No BS-Calling from me. Just because one Bear-straddled Spree won't exceed 27 doesn't prove that none will.

But Speedometer Error must be expressed as a percentage, not in MPH.. There is no error at 0 MPH. 2MPH Optimism at 30 means 4MPH AT 60 and so on, barring centrifugal tire growth.

A well-tuned engine, skinny rider, good tailwind, etc can make for some big top-end differences.

Wheelman-111 wrote:Greetings:

No BS-Calling from me. Just because one Bear-straddled Spree won't exceed 27 doesn't prove that none will.

But Speedometer Error must be expressed as a percentage, not in MPH.. There is no error at 0 MPH. 2MPH Optimism at 30 means 4MPH AT 60 and so on, barring centrifugal tire growth.

A well-tuned engine, skinny rider, good tailwind, etc can make for some big top-end differences.

Not true, the horsepower increase to add 10 mph (that is a 33% increase BTW) to a scooter designed by Honda to run 30 mph would be a minimum of double the horsepower or cutting drag by at least 80% or a combination of the 2. Since neither one of those things is even close to possible and until these 2 threads arrived no one had ever even done 35 mph, this is just either pure BS or these are not stock Spree scooters.

Greetings:

The incorrect assumption you make is in bringing givens back to your particular example of a 1985 Spree, your setup, your tires, your frontal area, your gearing, and your um... avoirdupois. (I agree it isn't the weight as much as the Frontal Area... )

Put a skinny rider in a full tuck, a position you and I have been - ahem - having difficulty assuming for a while, and well, maybe it doesn't need quite as much added HP as you state. It would need low rolling resistance and drag and a well-tuned engine, but Impossible? I don't think so. There was a 9% difference in top speed between two identical snowmobiles my family owned. Why is it so hard to believe that another - and Different Spree setup might just be ~20% faster than yours with a lighter rider? The Author already stated it isn't completely stock.

Wheelman-111 wrote:Greetings:

The incorrect assumption you make is in bringing givens back to your particular example of a 1985 Spree, your setup, your tires, your frontal area, your gearing, and your um... avoirdupois. (I agree it isn't the weight as much as the Frontal Area... )

Put a skinny rider in a full tuck, a position you and I have been - ahem - having difficulty assuming for a while, and well, maybe it doesn't need quite as much added HP as you state. It would need low rolling resistance and drag and a well-tuned engine, but Impossible? I don't think so. There was a 9% difference in top speed between two identical snowmobiles my family owned. Why is it so hard to believe that another - and Different Spree setup might just be ~20% faster than yours with a lighter rider? The Author already stated it isn't completely stock.

Again BS, my Spree with my 140 lbs wife still does 28 mph on the GPS. But there is no way even a 20 pound rider would equate a 39 mph Spree.

Any 2 stroke, by design has a max RPM dictated by the air flow capacity of the motor and a motor designed for a max top speed of 30 mph is never going to do 39 mph, ever. Not without major porting, improved exhaust and intake improvements. One of my race motor turned 7600 RPM max with a test disc. It also turned 7600 with a a 26" pitch prop at 90+ mph at the end of the straight away or a 20" pitched prop at 65 mph. You are talking an impossible increase in RPM.

Bear45-70 wrote:
Oh and I have owned this scooter since 1985 and it had less than 300 miles on the clock when I got it. The PO only rode the scooter, never did a thing to the scooter.

Yeah....the 1984 and 1985 version of the spree sucked big time

Small reed block, dished piston, aluminum drive face ,and the worst exhaust ever to be put on a spree, came standard in 1985.

I gain two miles an hour ducking my fat head down 12 inches.(verified on gps)

I can also gain two mph or so when I over inflate my tires.

Trafficjamz wrote:

Bear45-70 wrote:
Oh and I have owned this scooter since 1985 and it had less than 300 miles on the clock when I got it. The PO only rode the scooter, never did a thing to the scooter.

Yeah....the 1984 and 1985 version of the spree sucked big time

Small reed block, dished piston, aluminum drive face ,and the worst exhaust ever to be put on a spree, came standard in 1985.

I gain two miles an hour ducking my fat head down 12 inches.(verified on gps)

I can also gain two mph or so when I over inflate my tires.

2 mph is not 8 to10 mph, that's like claiming a stock 1954 VW split window will do 100 mph.