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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:33 pm
by da808fokai
It seems as there may be some differences in shaft length for different model's. I definitely had to machine mine in order to get the case to close. It's not the washer spacing that prevented it in my case, it was the actual length of the shaft.
Same pics as above to show the shaft differences:
http://gallery.me.com/vhjohnson/100024/IMG_5935/web.jpg
http://gallery.me.com/vhjohnson/100024/ ... 6786580002
I still need to update my post above, promise I will get to it soon...
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:36 pm
by da808fokai
PimpinSpree wrote:well i put the red plastic washer in between the countergear and the bottom end, and it seemed to have solved my * problem, but i think it still needs to have a thicker spacer, maybe 2 of those washers. It seems to be making some noise. I also think jb welding the two gears together would solve things. parts 5 and 6 in this picuture
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ab4cbeaa7f.jpg
i think the problem is the gear isn't pressed onto it, and it has room to wiggle. Its making a chatter noise at idle
i really don't think machining the gears is necessary. It just lets you use the washers that the dio has in it.
Outch... possibly the spacing between that gear that slides onto the countergear and the inside of the case is not correct. If you have a pair of calipers and a straight edge, measure the distance and shim accordingly. (I still need to do this).
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:51 pm
by PimpinSpree
hmmmm..... so if you had no spacers/washers it would't close? thats wierd
if i can just get the correct amount of spacing i think i'll be good to go. Im really thinking of jb welding them together, only problem is if it doesn't work and i want them apart, itll be a nightmare cleaning that stuff out.
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:52 pm
by PimpinSpree
so im pretty sure ive got mine perfected. at this point im 100% happy with it. I managed to get the perfect fit with washers. I took out the washer from my spree motor gears and it happened to be the perfect thickness. I know its perfect because i had another washer that had to have been within 1/32 and the rear wheel would lockup when i tightened it all down
and i figured out the noise i was hearing was actually coming from my plastic floorboard
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:55 pm
by PimpinSpree
da808fokai wrote:It seems as there may be some differences in shaft length for different model's. I definitely had to machine mine in order to get the case to close. It's not the washer spacing that prevented it in my case, it was the actual length of the shaft.
maybe that is why your other one is making funny noises and not performing. Because on mine i can tell you i wouldn't gain anything from machining
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:00 am
by da808fokai
PimpinSpree wrote:da808fokai wrote:It seems as there may be some differences in shaft length for different model's. I definitely had to machine mine in order to get the case to close. It's not the washer spacing that prevented it in my case, it was the actual length of the shaft.
maybe that is why your other one is making funny noises and not performing. Because on mine i can tell you i wouldn't gain anything from machining
Definitely, I agree... I wasn't expecting to gain any performance from machining it, but there was physically no way to install the gears without having them machined. (At least the dio counter gear set that I had).
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:22 pm
by PimpinSpree
ya i mean, if you couldn't get them in, obviously you would have to machine it
so you figure out your top speed yet?
my drill bits should be here any day, to drill main jets, but i'll have a few weeks of break in before i'll figure out my top speed
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:44 am
by da808fokai
PimpinSpree wrote:ya i mean, if you couldn't get them in, obviously you would have to machine it
so you figure out your top speed yet?
my drill bits should be here any day, to drill main jets, but i'll have a few weeks of break in before i'll figure out my top speed
No, I havent figured out the top speed yet. Maybe this weekend i'll ask one of my roommates to pace me.
I think I still need to work on the tuning a bit. Last week when I went for that long ride it was way too rich. I fouled my plugs in 1 week (about 300 miles of riding).
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:30 pm
by happyman
what are you running for a variator? that would make a differance also .
da808fokai wrote:PimpinSpree wrote:ya i mean, if you couldn't get them in, obviously you would have to machine it
so you figure out your top speed yet?
my drill bits should be here any day, to drill main jets, but i'll have a few weeks of break in before i'll figure out my top speed
No, I havent figured out the top speed yet. Maybe this weekend i'll ask one of my roommates to pace me.
I think I still need to work on the tuning a bit. Last week when I went for that long ride it was way too rich. I fouled my plugs in 1 week (about 300 miles of riding).
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:25 pm
by PimpinSpree
im kinda thinkin a variator would make mine slower. Since im already geared to go too fast for my motor. We'll see when i put the big bore on
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:25 pm
by happyman
just play with differant roller weights. that can make a big differance. Keoni of VT cycles can give you great info. is this a big bore?? if so the variaor would be a big kick. with the right clutch springs and the contra spring you should see a nice gain.
Happy
PimpinSpree wrote:im kinda thinkin a variator would make mine slower. Since im already geared to go too fast for my motor. We'll see when i put the big bore on
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:43 pm
by Dac
yeah, the variator does not hurt take off, it only adds better mid range and top end.
some people even claim to get slightly better take off with the pulley.
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:09 am
by da808fokai
happyman wrote:what are you running for a variator? that would make a differance also .
da808fokai wrote:PimpinSpree wrote:ya i mean, if you couldn't get them in, obviously you would have to machine it
so you figure out your top speed yet?
my drill bits should be here any day, to drill main jets, but i'll have a few weeks of break in before i'll figure out my top speed
No, I havent figured out the top speed yet. Maybe this weekend i'll ask one of my roommates to pace me.
I think I still need to work on the tuning a bit. Last week when I went for that long ride it was way too rich. I fouled my plugs in 1 week (about 300 miles of riding).
I got a variator from VT cycles before I put the gears in. I installed the weights that came with it. I probably need to order a set of various weights and a spring. It might be on hold for a while since I just bought an r6 this past weekend. (The mopeds got me back into motorcycles again. Here we go...) lol.
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:16 am
by happyman
hey nothing wrong with a motorcycle i ride a 07 CVO Roadking Harley.. Some real good headwork, set of cams, supertrapp pipe and a good tune with the SERT.. runs good for a huge bagger.. Been riding motorcycles since 1958. still like to ride and build hotrods out of the cycles and scooters.
da808fokai wrote:happyman wrote:what are you running for a variator? that would make a differance also .
da808fokai wrote:
No, I havent figured out the top speed yet. Maybe this weekend i'll ask one of my roommates to pace me.
I think I still need to work on the tuning a bit. Last week when I went for that long ride it was way too rich. I fouled my plugs in 1 week (about 300 miles of riding).
I got a variator from VT cycles before I put the gears in. I installed the weights that came with it. I probably need to order a set of various weights and a spring. It might be on hold for a while since I just bought an r6 this past weekend. (The mopeds got me back into motorcycles again. Here we go...) lol.
gearing
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:00 pm
by EliteS120ccJDM
On my 98 elite S (purple)..I put dio gears 16x42..and they fit like a glove...I guess the 94-01 SA50 S block is the exact same as the dio...all my upgrades all say dio..and they all work beautifully..and fit like a glove..
