NQ50 * going downhill, clutch/belt issue?

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NQ50 * going downhill, clutch/belt issue?

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Hi folks;

It's me again, with the continuing saga of my 85 Spree that blew up and I've been reassembling. (History here and here).

Currently my Spree is back to pretty much stock condition - new piston, cylinder, rings, gaskets, air filter, thoroughly cleaned carburetor, and the 'slightly larger' reed set as seen in my other post referenced above. To me the engine runs pretty good. Idles well, doesn't stall. I've been putt-putt'n around the neighbourhood for a couple of weeks to break things in, and sticking close to home in case it just blows up and dies again. Other than one day where it mysteriously fouled up the plug and quit running it's been reliable. I tried doing a subsequent 'plug chop test' and it looked fine to me.

This is going to sound a little vague since I'm not skilled in the art of Spree, but bear with me.

Today I took the Spree into work and I noted that when I'm going on a slight downhill slope it feels a little "*". If I don't move the throttle, the engine sound remains constant like I'm still being chased by the horde of mosquitos, but the Spree has these slight little hesitations you can feel. Going uphill 'feels' better. This isn't new, and it was doing this before the previous engine committed suicide. It gives that feeling that I want to constantly apply more throttle to smooth it out, and that it doesn't really want to 'coast' well. I'm presuming at this point that isn't supposed to do that.

I tried coming down a hill and killing the engine, and the Spree continues to turn the engine down to a certain speed and then you can hear the engine disengage (I didn't note where it cut out at) . I didn't note any * in that phase as I coasted down to a stop.

I'm suspicious that this isn't the engine but in the Spree belt/clutch stuff. Sound reasonable? Is there a good way to verify the clutch/belt without taking the clutch off?

In return, here's a picture of my Spree without all that snow:

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Re: NQ50 * going downhill, clutch/belt issue?

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Greetings:

Nice pic. Too clean!

To your Downhill behavior query:
Spree has these slight little hesitations you can feel. Going uphill 'feels' better. This isn't new, and it was doing this before the previous engine committed suicide. It gives that feeling that I want to constantly apply more throttle to smooth it out, and that it doesn't really want to 'coast' well. I'm presuming at this point that isn't supposed to do that.
Right you are and the reason can be discerned from your pic:
Sprees are notoriously cranky when they're self-conscious about their appearance. Riding with one round and one rectangular mirror can induce this misbehivor.

Ah, Ha-Hah! I kid you. :)

What speed do you achieve on this downhill run? My brother's 2004 Metro did this repeatedly in the same circumstances. It turns out that this sophisticated scooter had a hard speed limiter wired into its ignition. It was not RPM-dependent but only occurred at precisely 35 MPH. Restricted Sprees may (??) have a similar device to comply with legal requirements in certain jurisdictions, at as little as 25 MPH.

The clutch releases its grip only when the RPM at the clutch drop below the engagement thresholds. You can prove this by coasting along any flat surface too. Engine braking persists on my bike until the revs drop below my Polini clutch's 5000 RPM engagement setting, which translates to 5-10 MPH. Anyway if your brakes aren't warped and dragging your issue doesn't sound serious. Don't sweat it.

PS: I have an oval mirror I can sell you. You'd just have to figure out where to mount it...
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Re: NQ50 * going downhill, clutch/belt issue?

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The story of the mirror: When I got this Spree used (only about two months ago) it came with not one, but two of those stupid little square replacement mirrors. Maybe those would be okay if you were two feet tall while riding, but I can't see a thing with them. Luckily the fellow had the other round one. I suspect one of the round ones got broke, and so they replaced them both with the 'matched' wee mirror set. I have the right-side wee mirror in place for the possibility law enforcement would complain I only had one mirror, even though I can't see much of anything in it.

On my ride home from work I think I was keeping around 35-40 km/h (I guess that's around 22-25 mph for the non-metric types) for most of the 26 km trip. Since I have the new engine parts I haven't been trying to run the thing flat out - stupid thing stranded me once with a 15 km walk, and I'm not ambitious to do that again. The engine seems to get exponentially louder around the 50 km/h mark. The downhill 'test' probably wasn't more than 35km/h since it isn't a very long downhill before a turn. I know I've been up to 55 km/h coming down a hill before.

If this is pretty much normal, I'll try not to sweat about it too much. I have such bad luck with vehicles, I figure at this point they're just all out to aggravate me. Thanks for your help.

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Greetings:

Salted roads in NB too? I ran a 70s vintage Ford product into the late 70s in Quebec. Not easy to keep alive with the winter brine on the pavement. There's a Rust Belt in Canada, too.
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Re: NQ50 * going downhill, clutch/belt issue?

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methinks you are probably leaning out when your poor stock carb can no longer deal with the massive amount of air you are feeding it @ WOT downhill. did you re-jet when you put in better reeds??
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