high compression?
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high compression?
Are there any high compression big bore kits? Or anyway to make a 49cc dio into a higher compression motor?
I've taken a new liking to high compression motors, as my friend builds and tunes turbo cars to run on E85 fuel..
If possible, I'd like to purchase a high comp kit for my scooter, and run on e85 just for the fun aspect, as well as gaining power..
Also, if there aren't any kits, what tricks are there to raising compression? Has anyone every attempted to SLOWLY tig some metal to the top of the piston? I'm just not sure how it would work on these moped 2 stroke pistons, as the pistons look so 'crapily' made compared to my car/dirt bike pistons..
I've taken a new liking to high compression motors, as my friend builds and tunes turbo cars to run on E85 fuel..
If possible, I'd like to purchase a high comp kit for my scooter, and run on e85 just for the fun aspect, as well as gaining power..
Also, if there aren't any kits, what tricks are there to raising compression? Has anyone every attempted to SLOWLY tig some metal to the top of the piston? I'm just not sure how it would work on these moped 2 stroke pistons, as the pistons look so 'crapily' made compared to my car/dirt bike pistons..
Re: high compression?
I am by no means an expert in this area, but I am pretty sure lowering the jug, or shaving a little off the head is the prefered method.
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Re: high compression?
mill the head. adding extra weight to a piston is heading in the wrong direction, as any weight you add has to be pushed back and forth ten thousand times per minute. the less rotating weight, the better. and milling the head is a more precise, measurable method.
Ol' Red
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1987 Spree, 42mph on 49cc (gps)
Broken...
Spreeio
1987 Spree
With af16e powah!!!!
77cc Malossi Ministroker, 24mm oKo, 30mm V8 pipe.
Chinabike 3000! GY6 clone daily driver/ beater machine bought for $75!
Re: high compression?
there is a thread here somewhere that a guy shimmed the jug and milled the head. check it out. the thread was very informative about how he got high compression.
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xr50 knobby tires, 32mph on slightly restricted craftsman air filter.
Scooter was stolen so i have to make it look good again
xr50 knobby tires, 32mph on slightly restricted craftsman air filter.
Scooter was stolen so i have to make it look good again
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Re: high compression?
Greetings:
Groove head for Viton O-ring. Lose head gasket. Run #8 plug, premium fuel, extra oil and richer main. Watch temps.
Groove head for Viton O-ring. Lose head gasket. Run #8 plug, premium fuel, extra oil and richer main. Watch temps.
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Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
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Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
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Re: high compression?
No need to groove head, just lap and use some hylomar or high temp silicone.
I am not a mechanic, nor do I play one on TV. Actually my advice is probably worth slightly less than what you pay to view it.
Re: high compression?
jus pull the head gasket , make sure there is clearance. Spray copper gasket sealer or silver paint , put back on and recheck.
increased compression will make more power but more heat and more wear and tear..
aloha
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increased compression will make more power but more heat and more wear and tear..
aloha
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Re: high compression?
No?bradthreee wrote:Off topic, but towelieee do you drive a Fit?
I drive a honda prelude, and a honda f4i.

are you talking to me?maddog wrote:Don't even post crap like that
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Re: high compression?
Somewhere on the vast 'net there was a guy that did up a big write up on chainsaw racing. He was welding piston tops and cases (to make more room for ports). For the engines he was using the head/cyl was one piece, so dropping the head apparently was not an option.Has anyone every attempted to SLOWLY tig some metal to the top of the piston?
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Re: high compression?
Adding mass to the piston is not a good idea with an little motor that is gonna turn 10,000 rpm. If you want more dome, either find a piston without the wrist pin holes and have them machined in lower or get a longer rod.Towlieee wrote:Also, if there aren't any kits, what tricks are there to raising compression? Has anyone every attempted to SLOWLY tig some metal to the top of the piston? I'm just not sure how it would work on these moped 2 stroke pistons, as the pistons look so 'crapily' made compared to my car/dirt bike pistons..
I have however, often wondered why no one has thought of milling the top of the jug to get the compression up (or back up to where it was) by moving the piston closer to the top of the bore. This would be ever effective for those that raise the jug to change the port timing.
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Re: high compression?
Like Bear said, deck it.
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