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I bought a 87 se50p from a friend for 50 bucks and ive been having trouble getting it started sometimes it would start up for a second or two and then die sometimes longer but i have no idea what the problem is?? also my scooter only has the electric start i thought they were supposed to have a kick start also

i have 87 se50 and a 87 se50p, both have kickstart. i wonder i someone put a 1985 aero cvt cover or motor in it. post some pics

i would but i dont have a camera

cool, no camera phone?

i have a camera phone but no way to upload the pics to my pc

87se50p wrote:i have a camera phone but no way to upload the pics to my pc

Send them to your e-mail. I do it all the time.

What are the numbers on the trans cover? AF what?

af05e and how do i send pics from the phone to my email i dont have mobile email on my phone

87se50p wrote:af05e and how do i send pics from the phone to my email i dont have mobile email on my phone

MMS. Does your engine block have two or four bolts attaching your intake manifold?

87se50p wrote:af05e and how do i send pics from the phone to my email i dont have mobile email on my phone

I have my e-mail address in my contacts under "Me". I call up the picture. call up the contacts and choose "Me" and then send.

Greetings:

The 1985 Aero came without a kickstart, but all subsequent Aero and Elite models were equipped with a kicker.
The '87 engines were similar to the '85s except for two other details:
1. The '85s had a 2-bolt intake manifold similar to the SB50 Elite "E" models, and
2. The oil pump lacked a throttle-controlled oil pump with split cable.

As suggested above, a previous owner may have replaced a blown '87 Elite engine with a good '85 Aero mill.
It is also possible that a broken '87 belt cover was replaced with one from an '85 Aero.

Check for these details.

As for the Start/Die issue, the fuel system is the chief suspect. Old fuel and vacuum lines can deteriorate in 23 years. Crumbs of rubber in the float valve or a leaky vacuum line can shut off fuel flow.
The best solution is to replace all the lines on principle. Make sure the vac line clamps are snug.

If the problem persists, remove and dismantle the carb for cleaning. Inspect the fuel tank and vacuum petcock for rust and/or sludge. A new float needle might be needed. Do check the air filter element for crumbling foam too.

i actually dont have a airfilter atm

Greetings:

Quoth 87se50p:

i actually dont have a airfilter atm

In that case, this may be your problem. The carb's Pilot circuit is sized to run with one. Without a filter, it may be too lean to sustain combustion. Add a bit of resin on the walls of the Pilot, and it becomes leaner still. Colder weather exacerbates the problem further, as there is "more Air" in colder weather for the already lean conditions.

I suggest you procure the correct filter element, oil it and install it. You may find the scooter runs at least a bit better.

eliteguy50 wrote:

87se50p wrote:af05e and how do i send pics from the phone to my email i dont have mobile email on my phone

MMS. Does your engine block have two or four bolts attaching your intake manifold?

it has four. also i can't seem to find a place to purchase a air filter like the whole thing do any of the k&n filters etc. work?

87se50p wrote:it has four. also i can't seem to find a place to purchase a air filter like the whole thing do any of the k&n filters etc. work?

Place a WTB ad here on the forum if you want a honda OEM box. You can get a K&N filter but you will still need to rejet, if you get a Honda box, you will not need to rejet.

ok i will try to find a stock airbox but i know this scooter used to run i rode it when it was my friends but he always rode it without the airfilter on it could this have caused my current problems?