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What not to do when installing a BBK

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:08 pm
by shiba
First thing is first, I managed to get the c-clip semi-in the piston, then it sprung out...about an hr after crawling around in my garage w/ a magnet unable to find it, I said screw it, and just used a c-clip from my old piston; is this ok to do, or should I get a new one!?

Now...my second lesson learned...
Pison ring broke...
Pison ring broke...
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Ya... I must be having an unlucky day..


p.s. has anyone heard from daywot? I ordered something from him over 2 weeks ago and havent gotten a tracking number or the item... anyone have his business number at all (does he have one?).. I would appreciate it!

Re: What not to do when installing a BBK

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:16 pm
by mousewheels
is this ok to do, or should I get a new one!?
Always use new clips, they can get be bent and loose tension when removed. A clip gone loose is an expensive failure.

Re: What not to do when installing a BBK

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:28 pm
by shiba
mousewheels wrote:
is this ok to do, or should I get a new one!?
Always use new clips, they can get be bent and loose tension when removed. A clip gone loose is an expensive failure.
hmm, ok not what i wanted to hear, but either way, i'm glad i heard (well, read) it!

i've messaged Red Eft Performance to see if he carrys those for the kit i grabbed...otherwise stock ones should be ok, correct? they didnt seem like a different size to my naked eye..

Re: What not to do when installing a BBK

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:57 pm
by mousewheels
You are coming out of this on top by making everything 100% :D - Having a clip jump into a corner of the garage or a broken ring is a delay, a trashed bore is bite :evil: Some get away with a used clip, but IMHO it's false economy. The one time it fails, will override a whole lot of c-clips.

c-clip failure. Link

Re: What not to do when installing a BBK

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:49 am
by fatcharlie
mousewheels wrote:
is this ok to do, or should I get a new one!?
Always use new clips, they can get be bent and loose tension when removed. A clip gone loose is an expensive failure.
Yes...

I reused a old wrist pin retainer last year, figuring I'd deal with the consequences if it was compromised.

Today my bike stopped halfway through an intersection (~2000 miles later). The wrist pin clip came loose and destroyed my piston and jug... I also have metal in the case, which has to be split (sucks because I just had it open when I replaced the bearings 300-500 miles ago.)

So, while I have always known not to reuse them... I did anyway saying "eh... eff it, It'll probably be fine"... it may have never broken, but I took my chances and it did... I'm now gonna be a couple hundred in the hole for a dollar part.

The bright side is that I'm now gonna be getting a BBK, the down side is a lighter wallet and a bike that is torn down during primo riding season.

Re: What not to do when installing a BBK

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:18 pm
by Wheelman-111
Greetings:

No absolute rules; it can depend on how the clip was treated going in and coming out. If it was bent beyond the elastic limits of the steel, a new one can fail too. I have seen it done if the builder knew the entire history of the clip. Too chicken to try it myself...

Re: What not to do when installing a BBK

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:03 am
by mousewheels
Honda service manuals present consistent guidance:

Here is a cut/paste to burn it into memory
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