Honda Spree and Elite 50 Forums

I want to change out my bulb on my 01 elite and are there any options to make it better? brighter bulb?

The 01 has a changeable headlight. Unfortunately I dont know of any replacements nor have I researched it yet. The Trailtech lights are wicked bright on my klr250.

the actual replacement bulb is a HS1 35w/35w the hs1 has the same base size as a H4
except the top tab is about 5/64 .078 thousand of a inch smaller
the h4 will fit
there is a h4 45w/45w bulb avaiable
but the wiring and charging system may not accept the extra load
from one of my posts in my build
on to the 2001 headlight
I have read some people asked about putting a brighter bulb in
here is some math?

according to shop manual
after 1989 the charging system is capable of maximum output of 4.0 max amps


the 35w/35w headlight pulls 2.73a l/2.73a h amps - 4.0 max=1.27 left
now they do sell a 45w/ 45 w bulb that will fit that is made for motorcycles
the 45w/45w headlight pulls 3.52a l/3.52a h amps - 4.0 max=.48 left
a normal motorcycle h4
55w/60w headlight pulls 5.40a l/5.80a h amps - 4.0 max= minus-1.4a l/-1.8a h

so ?
even if the wiring could handle the 55-60 bulb the charging system cant (minus-1.4a l/-1.8a h)

if the wiring could handle it need to look at size of wire. or you could wire relays in
the 45/45 leaves you with .48a ? how much does the coil & taillight dash lights use
need to work properly ? <need to look that up (the , stop& turn are intermittent ) LED bulbs would use less

now on to the charging system
the flywheel and stator for the 2001 elite are available
the flywheel and stator for the 1994-2000 are not available
( I know they will fit but Honda dosent show them as fitting
which usally means there is some kind of difference more output bigger wiring ect)

1994-01 use the same rectifier
31110-657-a81 flywheel 2001
31120-657-a81 stator 2001
31600-gbl-871 rectifier same part 1994-2001

just a thought
maybe the charging system was improved for 2001
because of the higher wattage headlight?

and I have had stators for motorcycles rewound for higher output
don't see why not for a scooter? but the wiring/ rectifier might not handle it
even with a rewound stator the 55w/60w headlight would probally get to hot for the housing


added 11-1-2013

http://www.hondaspree.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=19111
from post above
mousewheels says in his post
Alternator output
85-87 Aero NB50 12v, 96w/5000 rpm 31120-GN2-671
88-93 Elite SA50 12v, 96w/5000 rpm 31120-GS7-670
94-00 Elite SA50 12v, 88w/5000 rpm 31120-GS7-951 (94)
01-up Elite SA50 12v, 100w/5000 rpm 31120-GS7-A81(2001)


my addon

so a new conclusion
if the info above is correct
12.4 volts, a battery is 75% charged
12.6 volt at full charge
13.8 to 14.4 charging voltage
http://rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Wa ... ulator.htm

so at 13.8 charging volts
the 2001 elite 100w stator=7.2463768116 amps
the 1994-00 elite 88w stator=6.3768115942 amps

not the 4.0 amps the shop manual says

with the 1994-00 the 45w/45w headlight pulls 3.52a l/3.52a h amps - 6.37a max=2.85 a left
with the 2001 the 45w/45w headlight pulls 3.52a l/3.52a h amps - 7.24amax=3.72 a left



Paul

from my build post
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=27850

thanks guys. I read that post about the light but I was lost with that info. and G9 will probably end up getting a set of the TT lights but need to get some other things and money first.

Graphite, the 2001 is the only Elite 50 (S/ SR) that has the replaceable/ serviceable/ non-sealed headlight housing. So you weren't too far off. I know that some people had opted to purchase the 2001 headlight housing as a nice OEM upgrade on their 1994-2000 Elite 50 S/ SRs.

http://www.dx.com/p/20w-2000lm-8000k-mo ... 6yugeByf6Q
http://www.dx.com/p/cyt-14w-1350lm-2-le ... 6yvBOByf6Q
I'm thinking of getting a burnt out spree bulb to try these guys out.

I upgraded the lights on a dead sealed bulb by carefully cutting the filament out and replacing it with an HID lightbulb. I bought one of those kits that were actually for motorcycles.
The problem is that the stator isn't able to push and hold the wattage needed for the upgraded bulb, so my workable solution was to wire in another 12v battery in parallel to accommodate the additional drainage since I knew that I wasn't going to be running the headlights for a long period of time. I just recharge the additional battery when I reach home. Yes, it is an inconvenience but it was research to see how viable, workable, and practicality of an HID lightbulb upgrade. Got to try different things and learn from them

I love hid bulbs but I want to try the led versions because they have high and low beam and use way less wattage so I should be able to connect directly to the stock wiring.

The LEDs are not bright enough, I have one in my jog and its for sure unsafe.

I use leds for the running lights, brake lights and turn signals.
Then I run an HID for the head light with a .5 farad cap to help turn it on.
There are hid kits that have an incandescent light for the low and hid for the high beam. great for saving the battery.

I have a 2000 lumin led conversion on the way I'll report how it works. I blew my spree headlight today so I have to do a conversion of some type now