Has anyone done/seen/heard of this???

Does your Spree/Elite already run great, and you're trying to make it quicker/faster? Need a monster motor swap? Discuss your ideas here.

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Has anyone done/seen/heard of this???

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Okay I'm new and I have 5 questions

1. Has anyone ever heard of HID bulbs compatible for the elite SR

2. Does anyone run Biturbo exhaust (Iwant one)

3. I'm buying the poloni 72c big bore kit and i've heard you can get a new carb for better performance, and Jets? * are Jets???

4. I just slid off the air box for a k&N Air filter, off a goped that was barley used. Is this going to rob or gain power, and is it gonna be bad for my engine? thanx guys

5. I'm interested in totally rebuilding my body out of fiberglass, Any thoughts? I have A sort of desired look i'm going for.

6. Where do u get wide tires for elites???


Please by all means anwser 1 if not all.

I got this ped for free so i'm willing to compensate because of the incredible deal. My friend bought one and got the elite sr free but it was locked up, so i worked on it for the night and got it up and running by 1 in the morning, inwhich i blasted out of my driveway at 40 miles an hour.lol

I'm looking to make this thing a race bike. thanks again
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Re: Has anyone done/seen/heard of this???

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Jacobusmaximus wrote:Okay I'm new and I have 5 questions

1. Has anyone ever heard of HID bulbs compatible for the elite SR Never

2. Does anyone run Biturbo exhaust (Iwant one) No clue what your talking about, but a pipe on a stock motor isnt really worth it, if anything just de restrict your stock one, also what parts available depend on the year

3. I'm buying the poloni 72c big bore kit and i've heard you can get a new carb for better performance, and Jets? * are Jets??? If you dont know * a jet is you need to do a lot of reading, you must FULLY understand how every part of your motor works and how to test/tune all of it before even thinking about a kit.(unless you dont care about ruining the engine)

4. I just slid off the air box for a k&N Air filter, off a goped that was barley used. Is this going to rob or gain power, and is it gonna be bad for my engine? thanx guys Put the stock one back on, if you dont know what a jet is your gonna blow the motor playing with filters.

5. I'm interested in totally rebuilding my body out of fiberglass, Any thoughts? I have A sort of desired look i'm going for.

6. Where do u get wide tires for elites??? Powersport shop?


Please by all means anwser 1 if not all.

I got this ped for free so i'm willing to compensate because of the incredible deal. My friend bought one and got the elite sr free but it was locked up, so i worked on it for the night and got it up and running by 1 in the morning, inwhich i blasted out of my driveway at 40 miles an hour.lol

I'm looking to make this thing a race bike. thanks again
What year is it? Do a plug chop

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ENGINE TUNING
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READING SPARK PLUGS and JETTING and PLUG CHOPS

Two stroke engines are sensitive to the level of heat inside the engine.
The main jet size in the carb is the main determiner of how hot the engine runs at wide open throttle.

Too hot and they will seize the piston.
Too cool means they are not making full power.

Engines get the hottest when they are running at wide open throttle making maximum HP.

"Reading" a spark plug is the best way to see how hot your engine is running.
Reading the plug means looking at the ceramic insulator inside the plug and checking its color.
The color will indicate the overall level of heat in the engine.

Reading the plug requires fully warming up the engine by running it for about 10 minutes... Then making a top speed full throttle run for a half mile or more, then killing the motor and stopping and pulling the spark plug on the spot.
That is called.."Doing a plug chop".

When doing the "plug chop"... It is important to chop the throttle and turn the engine off with the switch or key and then pull over to stop... You don't want the engine to idle... that will change the plug color.

You can wait till the plug cools... the color won't change.

The color of a plug on a correctly running engine is a light brown or tan color.
Lighter than that means danger of a piston seizure.
Darker than that is OK... But real dark or wet looking means your main jet in the carb is too big (too rich)... pull it out and look at the number on the side and buy the next size smaller (leaner).

Note... To get an accurate plug reading takes a fairly new plug... a plug with 2 years of crud on it will never really show the true color (or heat) the engine is running at.


JETTING and ADJUSTING the CARB

Jetting refers to changing or adjusting the parts of a carburetor that control fuel flow.

The "main jet" controls the fuel/air mix at top speed.. and is the most important jet to get right.
On most carbs the main jet is a small brass piece inside the center of the float bowl screwed into the carb.
It has numbers stamped on it for size.
A bigger number means more fuel flow... or "richer".
A smaller number means less fuel flow... or "leaner".

There are also usually 2 external adjustments on the carb...they are the idle mixture and idle speed screws.
Idle speed usually opens the slide or butterfly for a little more airflow.
Idle mixture controls the air to fuel ratio (at idle).

They only affect idle ... they don't affect how fast your ped goes or how it runs while going fast.
So you can just play with them till you like the idle... fast enough not to stall... slow enough not to engage the transmission.
Idle mixture screws are usually supposed to be between 1 and 2 turns out from all the way in.

Some carbs with a slide have a needle in the middle of the slide with adjustment slots on the needle for raising or lowering the needle.
Raising the needle makes the midrange richer.
Lowering the needle makes the midrange leaner.
I am not a mechanic, nor do I play one on TV. Actually my advice is probably worth slightly less than what you pay to view it.
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#2-No, i dont know of anyone who uses that type of system on there bike.
I would go with a PG Long. Its a very common pipe. Very Cool looking. And the best part is it gives great performance.

#3-Cool bore kit. But i would hold off for just a few days till you read some more first. Its best if you do get a bigger carb. (24-28mm) along with an intake.
(see below for jet info)

#4- It will make you a hair lean.(see below for jet info)


Gears- with just a bore kit, you will only be going just a hair faster. You need gears so you can have some speed. If you are going to go with a 72cc bore you will need 8.44:1 gears. (maybe as low as 7:1 if you are going for all out top speed)

Jets- A Jet is a little tube like thing in the carb. To small of a jet will cause you to run lean. To big of a jet will cause you to run rich (see below) you have to find the one that is perfect for you bike.
This is kinda hard to do. But its different for every bike. So you have to do it yourself.

Lean? Rich?
Lean- Lean means you dont have enough oil. Your bike gets two hot, causing huge wear on your motor. Or even Heat seizes. Running lean will kill your bike.
Rich- Rich means your bike is getting to much oil. You will foul plugs allot, and your bike will smoke allot. There is also other down sides i cant think of off the top of my head.
How to tell?
Plug chops. A plug chop is when you put in a new plug. Ride WOT for a few miles. Kill the motor at WOT. Then take out the plug and look at the color.
White-lean. Dark or wet-rich. Coco brown -Perfect.
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d*** it kenny. Why must you post that huge thing in every top that some one ask what a plug chop is?
posting a link is easy dude. :lol:

Oh by the way...
what year is your bike?
where do you plain on getting your parts?
how much do you plain on spending?
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Lol HID headlights. HID on anything other than a car designed for them is not only hard to do, but a pain in the * to other drivers. Cars that come equipped with HID lights have specially designed sockets that reduce the amount of glare produced. They restrict the brightest light to a certain angle so that when you approach them, the light gets dimmer. Pay attention when you meet one of the road. I looked into getting them for my car before i found that out and from my understanding a conversion kit removes your ability to switch from dim to bright lights and you have to install a box that increases the power to your headlights to accomodate the demanding lamps.
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I got a 1989 Honda elite sr, I was planning on ordering parts from ebay and other online stores, and what I'm willing to spend is alot! but if I can save money to get even more stuff for the ped that would be great, or if the best quality always blasts the performance. like I hear Poilni bore kits are great.

And uhh. where should i get another spark plug from?lol
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yea a biturbo is like for peddle mopeds. that is what is going on my express
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Jacobusmaximus wrote:I got a 1989 Honda elite sr, I was planning on ordering parts from ebay and other online stores, and what I'm willing to spend is alot! but if I can save money to get even more stuff for the ped that would be great, or if the best quality always blasts the performance. like I hear Poilni bore kits are great.

And uhh. where should i get another spark plug from?lol
dude, bad news....

you cant get hardly anything for your bike. 63cc bore kit, and maybe a highspeed pulley kit. Nothing else.
all the parts you are talking about are for 94-01 elites. 94-01 elites have DIO motors. tons of stuff can be bought. But a 89 does not have s***.

All i can say is call up http://www.VTCycles.com.(sites outdated. Just call them). Keoni the desk dude will help you get what little you can.
Or give up on that motor and get a 94-01 honda elite 50 motor.
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Jacobusmaximus wrote:I got a 1989 Honda elite sr, I was planning on ordering parts from ebay and other online stores, and what I'm willing to spend is alot! but if I can save money to get even more stuff for the ped that would be great, or if the best quality always blasts the performance. like I hear Poilni bore kits are great.

And uhh. where should i get another spark plug from?lol
you just said in another topic you have a 97. was this a mistype or what?
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