Honda Spree and Elite 50 Forums

Alright so heres whats going on

Yesterday while riding my spree I noticed it bogging down a little at the top end (a loss of 3-4 mph) and especially bogging while going up hills that normally werent a challenge to my spree

So I decided it must be either

A. A Compression Problem
B. The Carb needs a good cleaning

I figured it wouldnt hurt to give the carb a good cleaning anyways since its been about 10-12 weeks since my last cleaning.

Upon opening the body up I notice the INNER Bolt that holds the Carb to the Engine (in back of the bystarter) Had completely Fallen out somehow making my Carb Loose and easily movable

After discovering this I figured that MUST be my problem, the seal is not tight causing compression issues and making me bog down.

So I get a new 5/16th bolt at the hardware store To replace the missing bolt.

I Clean the Carb as normal, Reassemble, put the new bolt on.

Now after everything is Connected The starter is trying to Turn over like its Cranking, but the Scooter wont start.

I looked over everything, thinking maybe it was the throttle cable...seems like theres enough play on it, its assembled properly.

Now when I looked at the Auto choke/Bystarter, the Tip with the Needle keeps coming off with the spring and all that, like its not staying attached properly, and when taking it off once, that top part even came off and stayed in the Carb.

Does this mean my bystarter is completely broken and thats why my scooter isnt starting? Or does it sound like something else.

Is there a way to reattach the Needle, and Spring to the Bystarter/Choke?


Please help me out, this is my main form of transportation and its very stressful for it to not be working currently. Thanks everyone

Yes you need a new bystarter, Check ebay. They should have one on there. But also try putting in a new spark plug that may be the problem.

thanks base, Ill try that out.

Does anyone else have any idea what could be going on? I dont want to drop $50 on my scooter and have that not be it, although it seems about 95% thats whats going on....better safe than sorry.

Is the bracket that is suposed to hold it in there?

yea I did, but the tip of the auto choke/bystarter keeps falling off with the spring into the Carb, so when I remove it that part stays in the carb.

Think its the bystarter why it wont start up?

give it a squirt of starter fluid-If it starts then it is the bystarter.

I havent been able to try the starter fluid, but what do you guys think of my buying a new Bystarter, is that most likely what it is?

Yea, probably.

Put in new Bystarter today, still not starting...arghhhh please help people

I just spliced the wiring for the bystarter in with electrical tape. Should I have soldered it instead or what.

I cant try much more now my battery is almost dead from trying to start it so many times aghhh

Please help someone

Basically in short now for people

Scooter ran bogged down.

Looked at carb, carb was missing back connector bolt

Replaced bolt and cleaned carb

Needle Tip Of Autochoke/Bystarter popped off

Put back together....scooter wont start

Bought new bystarter since I figured it had to be that

Installed new Bystarter/autochoke, still wont start


Please help!

clean carb again, try some starting fluid.

It may be worth noting that after you put in a cleaned carb there is no fuel in the bowl for the scooter to run. The engine has to turn over a few times to produce the vacuum that opens the petcock - you need to take that into consideration. I will often "prime" a carb by putting fuel in the bowl before re-installation. After you have tried to start the bike a few times with an empty carb, check to make sure gas is getting to the carb by loosening the drain screw - you should see some gas come out of the drain tube.

Remember that the bystarter does nothing to help the bike to start! Basically, it works by pushing the needle to shut off a circuit that supplies extra fuel to the venturi. The needle extends as the bystarter warms up. In most cases if the bystarter is not working the carb just runs rich all the time and should be easy to start from cold and maybe harder when warm. In rare cases (perhaps your own) the needle could be stuck in the extended position or remains jammed in the chamber, but less likely.

Clive.

argh so I may have wasted $50 on a new Bystarter for no reason is what youre saying?

Like stated before, open up the drain screw on your carb and see if gas comes out. If nothing comes out then obviously no gas is getting to the carb. Then you probably have a fuel valve, also known as the petcock ,problem. It may be stuck closed not allowing fuel to be delivered from the tank to the carb. It could also be that your vaccume line is pinched closed or dirty. Your fuel line could also be plugged or the fuel strainer in the tank. If you determine all this is good then you have to check for spark on the plug. You need gas , spark, and compression for the bike to run. Its that simple. Take it step by step and you will find the answer.

Hod your hand over the intake while trying to start it, sometimes these engines need a little extra vacuum to run after sitting with a dry bowl.