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I am going to be doing the gears and the variator on my 99 Elite here pretty soon.

I am well aware of the gains that I should expect after swapping the variator out with a Keli and the gears with 9:1.

But what about if they are done separately?

What kind of gains should be expected out of just doing the variator on an all stock Dio?

What kind of gains should be expected out of just going to 9:1 gears with the everything else remaining stock?

The money is not an issue here, I was just sitting here thinking about the person that does not have enough money to do them both at the same time. It seems like a lot of people do both mods at the same time, but what about if somebody just does them one at a time. What should be expected of each mod?

I just thought it would be nice if people posted up their experiences with doing either of the mods to their scoots so that others had a good idea of what to expect from either of them.

So if people could post up what they gained by either of them thatwould be cool

pulley alone puts you up to like 40mph.
Same take off, better mid range, and top end.

gears alone, i dont know, never tried.

Pully will give you that up and go. Gears will take away your up and go but give you a better chance in hitting 40-50mph.

Pully is more for your acceleration. Pully=torque=the pull of the scooter.

Does that kinda make sense???

you are wrong, the pulley does not give any more pull to the take off.
A hi-speed pulley is taller then a stock pulley, giving like 5mph more to the top end. The angel of the ramp is also different, giving the bike better mid range (ie 20-40 is better)

If you want more off the line punch, different clutch springs will do that. the heaver you go the later it kicks in, by the time it kicks in your bike is so high of rpms it pulls rapidly.

gears, plain and simple, take away off the line punch, but great improve your top end. Combined with the pulley will give a topend of 50mph.
Gears alone?
my guess is the bike will take off about the same, take longer to get to speed, and top out maybe 42mph.

With the pully alone you'll hit 40 for sure and up to 43 flat without headwind.
With a tail wind you can hit 45 maybe a tad more but it doesn't sound pretty because the gears are really winding out

Dac wrote:you are wrong, the pulley does not give any more pull to the take off.
A hi-speed pulley is taller then a stock pulley, giving like 5mph more to the top end. The angel of the ramp is also different, giving the bike better mid range (ie 20-40 is better)

If you want more off the line punch, different clutch springs will do that. the heaver you go the later it kicks in, by the time it kicks in your bike is so high of rpms it pulls rapidly.

gears, plain and simple, take away off the line punch, but great improve your top end. Combined with the pulley will give a topend of 50mph.
Gears alone?
my guess is the bike will take off about the same, take longer to get to speed, and top out maybe 42mph.

Actually a peformance variator IS supposed to increase accel as well as add top end.

Take a look closely at a Keli variator and a stock one from a side view profile, and you can tell the Keli is about 1mm shorter. What that does is let the belt come up inside closer on the front, allowing the belt to go higher in the rear pulley. That in turn gives you better starting ratio for acceleration from a stop.

But since the ramps on the keli are angled different and travel longer, the pulley can still open up to a higher setting then a stock one, even though it is shorter.

Variators 101 this goes for most aftermarket variators too btw

But if you're debating, do front pulley first see how you like it, if you want more speed do the gears. Then enjoy the smooth ride and 80-90mpg

ya i would go with the pulley

Yeah...I got a nice little japanese light weight pully to start with for my first mod. And it gave me that acceration that I wanted...plus letting me get to 40mph.(well past the 35mph mark on the speedo)

Also...when you get the pully, buy a assorment of roller weights! It's all about fine tunning from there... Mix and match like three 6roller weights with three 8roller weights.

YOu can tune your whole power band.

very well put toast!
At least someone is paying attention in moped class! haha
going fast is all about the details...

Try taking off the restrictor plate behind the the pulley and you should 43mph, all other restrictions need to be done at the same time otherwise the engine will run lean= boom

maddog wrote:Try taking off the restrictor plate behind the the pulley and you should 43mph, all other restrictions need to be done at the same time otherwise the engine will run lean= boom

What restrictor are you talking about behind the pulley? I do not have any restrictions that I know of. I have never payed much attention to the air box, but there was no washer in my pipe, nor was there a restrictor on my variator.

My scoot shouldnt have any restrictions that I am aware of, its a 99 SR. I weigh in at around 280 and on a nice straight away it always pegs 35, my lighter friends say it will only do 35 too. It will only go faster going down a big hill.

ALOW1 wrote:

maddog wrote:Try taking off the restrictor plate behind the the pulley and you should 43mph, all other restrictions need to be done at the same time otherwise the engine will run lean= boom

What restrictor are you talking about behind the pulley? I do not have any restrictions that I know of. I have never payed much attention to the air box, but there was no washer in my pipe, nor was there a restrictor on my variator.

My scoot shouldnt have any restrictions that I am aware of, its a 99 SR. I weigh in at around 280 and on a nice straight away it always pegs 35, my lighter friends say it will only do 35 too. It will only go faster going down a big hill.

That's exactly what it should do unrestricted, ignore his comment imo