variator pulley...

Does your Spree/Elite already run great, and you're trying to make it quicker/faster? Need a monster motor swap? Discuss your ideas here.

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variator pulley...

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Why wont the front variator pulley of a dio or other, fit in a spree?
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The crankshaft has a different profile.

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bigger or smaller?
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Post by Kenny_McCormic »

Its all different, best way would be to design and machine a new one, several have discussed this, none have attempted yet.
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SOMEBODY DO IT!!!!!!!
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What about the elites that basically have spree engines?

Don't they have variable pulleys? And if so, shouldn't the crank fit in a spree engine?
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devenex wrote:What about the elites that basically have spree engines?

Don't they have variable pulleys? And if so, shouldn't the crank fit in a spree engine?
oh dude! the Pal!

i totally forgot about that.

dude, someone just has to tear apart a pal variator and see if it will fit in a spree. if it dose, thats going to break some huge ground.
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BTDT, I've got a Pal and a Spree both. The Pal pulley doesn't fit the Spree. The crankshaft end is different. If you could find an entire Pal engine it should bolt right in.

I haven't torn them apart to mix and match the parts but I think the crankshaft and the side cover would need to be swapped.

The Pal is still a moped class scooter, 25-30 mph top end. What the variable pulley gets you is more pull off the line.

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Well if you get more pull off the line, then you can do a pulley mod and have a more normal pull at the start with a higher top end, right?

EDIT: Granted your not going to hit 50mph or anything, but you should approach 35mph, which actually makes a difference going around town.
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devenex wrote:Well if you get more pull off the line, then you can do a pulley mod and have a more normal pull at the start with a higher top end, right?

EDIT: Granted your not going to hit 50mph or anything, but you should approach 35mph, which actually makes a difference going around town.
yeah but if it requires to tear apart the block, get a new crank and a pulley for a bike that is hard to find, why not just get a good motor and build that up.

i mean, dont get me wrong im all about making the spree faster, but thats just unrealistic.
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devenex wrote:Well if you get more pull off the line, then you can do a pulley mod and have a more normal pull at the start with a higher top end, right?

EDIT: Granted your not going to hit 50mph or anything, but you should approach 35mph, which actually makes a difference going around town.
Yes, I modified the pulley on my Pal. With that and the engine mods I have seen 45 mph. Normally about 40, still fiddling with it.

Just picked up a second Pal today. we'll see how that one goes.

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Post by burnt_toast »

do I really have to say it? :lol:

if you're going to swap something into a spree, make it worthwhile and go dio :twisted:

Unless you can find a PAL block dirt cheap, dio swap just makes more sense even for lower speeds.
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Dio's are expensive
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Pals are miserably hard to find as they are JDM and only a hand full ever came to the states.

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keithw wrote:Pals are miserably hard to find as they are JDM and only a hand full ever came to the states.

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yeah, finding a Pal would be harder then finding a dio by a long shot.

BTW Keithw, if you where ever to part out one of your pals you could sell the plastic alone for a good amount of money on the hawaii forums. i have seen a full pal body set go before and it was a few hundred.
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